[sicut]

Hello all,

I tried to charge my N85 with an [non-Nokia] USB battery charger (Lenovo 90W Slim AC/DC Combo Adapter) via the Nokia Connectivity Cable (CA-101) to keep down the amount of chargers I have to carry.
But except of asking, which data connection profile I want to use, there is no charging at all.
Am I doing something wrong or is the N85 only chargeable by the original Nokia wall charger?

Thank you
sicut

[sapporobaby]

If you mean the cable that came in the box: Nokia Connectivity Cable (CA-101), it will charge the phone as this is what I use most of the time. The included charger is in my draw as I connect the phone to the computer all the time.

However your problem might be the charger itself rather than the cable. Why not plug the cable into the USB port and charge it from there rather than via a charger?

[rbreton74]

Same problem with an Apple USB charger: it does not charge. Its's a pity because it's my favourite charger (the smaller one) and I was also trying to reduce the number of gadgets' charger I have to carry.

Tried also with a Kesington charger and it does work, but this charger it's too big...

[aramys]

Did you try with the Nokia charger first ? It seems that even with the Nokia charger, sometimes the charge process doesn't start. There should be a fix in next N85 firmware.

[sicut]

Yeah, I charged it with the wall charger a couple of times already and had never a problem with that. But I read about the general charging problems too, so I hoped, that the firmware update could also fix my problem.
Well, sadly, it seems to be different here, since rbreton74 and me are trying to use non-Nokia chargers.

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30-Nov-2008 12:04 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
Why not plug the cable into the USB port and charge it from there rather than via a charger?

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Because I have to travel around quite a bit and therefore try to minimize my luggage...just the Notebook, mobile, headset and *one* charger (the Lenovo combo charger). Its perfect for car, plane and wall plugs - all in one - but I can´t get it to work with the N85 :-/

Has anyone else tried to charge the N85 with a non-Nokia charger and got it to work?

[sapporobaby]

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30-Nov-2008 12:46 PM
rbreton74 wrote:
Same problem with an Apple USB charger: it does not charge. Its's a pity because it's my favourite charger (the smaller one) and I was also trying to reduce the number of gadgets' charger I have to carry.

Tried also with a Kesington charger and it does work, but this charger it's too big...

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What does Apple have to do with this? This is a Nokia forum.

[sapporobaby]

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30-Nov-2008 03:06 PM
sicut wrote:
Yeah, I charged it with the wall charger a couple of times already and had never a problem with that. But I read about the general charging problems too, so I hoped, that the firmware update could also fix my problem.
Well, sadly, it seems to be different here, since rbreton74 and me are trying to use non-Nokia chargers.

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30-Nov-2008 12:04 AM
sapporobaby wrote:
Why not plug the cable into the USB port and charge it from there rather than via a charger?

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Because I have to travel around quite a bit and therefore try to minimize my luggage...just the Notebook, mobile, headset and *one* charger (the Lenovo combo charger). Its perfect for car, plane and wall plugs - all in one - but I can´t get it to work with the N85 :-/

Has anyone else tried to charge the N85 with a non-Nokia charger and got it to work?

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I do not think you understand. Use the cable supplied in the box as a charging cable. Plug it into your laptop and that is all you need. You seem to be making a problem where none exists. You say you have a laptop, if so, then take the Nokia supplied cable to charge your phone. Second, why should a Lenovo charger work with a Nokia phone? It is not made by Nokia. Obviously the voltages and amperages are different which is why it is probably not working.

By the way before you or anyone starts, don't blame this on Nokia.

[mark65]

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Because I have to travel around quite a bit and therefore try to minimize my luggage...just the Notebook, mobile, headset and *one* charger (the Lenovo combo charger). Its perfect for car, plane and wall plugs - all in one - but I can´t get it to work with the N85
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You should connect your Lenovo combo charger to Notebook and then just connect N85 to Notebook by Nokia's data cable. Only what I found with this setup: if your battery is totally empty it takes lot of time to charge battery total full. USB is "universal" connection but only data transfer mode. Charging by USB is something else, I feel. I'm not sure but maybe USB "negotiate" right current setup and maximum current is not so high what you may charge with wall charger.

Message Edited by mark65 on 30-Nov-2008 06:23 PM

[sapporobaby]

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30-Nov-2008 08:21 PM
mark65 wrote:
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Because I have to travel around quite a bit and therefore try to minimize my luggage...just the Notebook, mobile, headset and *one* charger (the Lenovo combo charger). Its perfect for car, plane and wall plugs - all in one - but I can´t get it to work with the N85
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You should connect your Lenovo combo charger to Notebook and then just connect N85 to Notebook by Nokia's data cable. Only what I found with this setup: if your battery is totally empty it takes lot of time to charge battery total full. USB is "universal" connection but only data transfer mode. Charging by USB is something else, I feel. I'm not sure but maybe USB "negotiate" right current setup and maximum current is not so high what you may charge with wall charger.

Message Edited by mark65 on 30-Nov-2008 06:23 PM

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Nice post. Thank you. I could not have explained it better. Not to mention that the purpose of the supplied charger is to quickly charge the phone. USB takes a bit longer. If a charger is too large then why carry a phone. Just have all calls forwarded to the next location. Nokia makes a very small travel charger that fits in the palm of your hand. Surly this charger can not be considered too large.

[rbreton74]

@sapporaby: Are you sure you have read my post completely? "Apple" is a brand o usb charger that does not work with my Nokia N85. It's a brand like "Kensington", with a usb charger that do work. Both usb charger worked with my old Nokia N95. I just want to know whether someone else has this problem usb charging problems too or if only my problem, and to make know @sicut that he is not the only one with usb charging problems with his Nokia N85 and his Lenovo charger.

@sapporaby, is it "apple" a word taboo for you? Why "kensington" is not taboo? Why "lenovo" is not taboo either?

[sapporobaby]

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30-Nov-2008 09:35 PM
rbreton74 wrote:
@sapporaby: Are you sure you have read my post completely? "Apple" is a brand o usb charger that does not work with my Nokia N85. It's a brand like "Kensington", with a usb charger that do work. Both usb charger worked with my old Nokia N95. I just want to know whether someone else has this problem usb charging problems too or if only my problem, and to make know @sicut that he is not the only one with usb charging problems with his Nokia N85 and his Lenovo charger.

@sapporaby, is it "apple" a word taboo for you? Why "kensington" is not taboo? Why "lenovo" is not taboo either?

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1. I have had every Mac made since 2003.
2. I am typing this on a Mac now.
3. I have had and still have every iPhone made.
4. Same with every brand iPod.
5. I am running Apple software right now and the Nokia for Mac software.

Is that taboo enough for you? DON'T ASSUME because now your taboo question is moot.

As for your the Apple charger does not work issue, my question still stands. While your Apple charger may have worked with your N95 there is no reason why it should work with your N85. Are they the same phone?. Is the N85 made by Apple? No again. Does the Apple charger supply the same charging voltage as the Nokia charger that came with the phone? These are issues that come into play. What is so hard to use the cable that came with the phone. It seems, and maybe I am wrong but you and the OP are making a mountain out of a moe-hill.

Just use the cable that came with the phone, in the USB port of your computer and be done with it. I am having a very hard time trying to understand what the problem is with using the cable.

Message Edited by sapporobaby on 30-Nov-2008 10:07 PM

[radical24]

i use a charger from a blackberry and it works fine with my n85, again i realize that not all chargers will work tho they appear to be compatible. i wanted to eliminate the hassle of having to have numerous plugs from european to the US so i opted to go to a tmo store and buy a bb charger...i had 30 days to return it in case it did not work. it works just fine, but it does have the ocassional, charger does not regoznize device moments, it's the same as with the supplied charger with my phone

[sicut]

Hey guys, thanks for your time and the replies. I didnt want to have this become a flame thread against Nokia, Apple or whatsoever, I was just calling for help and if anyone experienced something similar ;-)

@sapporobaby:
I agree with your point, that you can just plug it in the notebook, there are just times where I dont want to or even cant switch on every time I have to charge my mobile. For example while driving and using the N85 for navigation. The bigger power consumption calls for a car charger, where my Lenovo charger would come in handy.

Your statement with different voltages and ampereges would be definetly right if there wouldn´t be the USB standard (Okay, there are a couple, but all backwards compatible). Thats why it works with every computer or device complying to the standard (Apple, Lenovo, Kensington and so on), even if its not a Nokia device.
So different chargers only work if they stick to the USB standards, and mine does. It works with every other device except of the N85, thats why I was curious.
BTW, its not really a coincidence, that more and more mobiles are coming with USB instead of the more benefit oriented brand specific chargers:
http://www.eetimes.com/rss/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199800238&cid=RSSfeed_eetimes_newsRSS

And generally for the thing with Lenovo or Apple or whatever chargers complying with Nokia devices,it worked before: For me with my N73 and my charger (and the Nokia tip for it) and for rbreton74 with the N95 and its charger.
Its just strange that Nokia *seems* to have switched from standard USB...or maybe its really because of some faulty firmware. I really dont know, thats why I am asking here :-)

@ radical24: Thanky for the point. I will give it a couple more tries and will report then. The only ting I know, that it definitely recognizes the USB (power) connection because of the pop up of the PC Suite/ Mass storage / Image Transfer... menue.
Does the menue show up for you too, even if the charging process itself doesnt work and doesnt it therefore recognize the N85 at all?

Message Edited by sicut on 30-Nov-2008 08:56 PM

[rbreton74]

@sapporobaby
I don't think you are "having a very hard time trying to understand what the problem is with using the cable"

Please, read carefully what "sicut" says.

And yes, your are always right, if everything works with other gadgets (my apple usb charger, my tomtom 930, sicat's charger) but not with Nokia N85 then, of course, the problem are in "the others" but not in the N85.. You must be joking....

[sapporobaby]

@sicut

I just thought of this. I will PM you with an idea. I have one and it works great. Have not used it with my N85 yet, but for the most part it worked with all phones. It has problems with the iPhone and iPod Touch though.

Message Edited by sapporobaby on 30-Nov-2008 11:25 PM

Message Edited by sapporobaby on 30-Nov-2008 11:26 PM

[sapporobaby]

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30-Nov-2008 11:17 PM
rbreton74 wrote:
@sapporobaby
I don't think you are "having a very hard time trying to understand what the problem is with using the cable"

Please, read carefully what "sicut" says.

And yes, your are always right, if everything works with other gadgets (my apple usb charger, my tomtom 930, sicat's charger) but not with Nokia N85 then, of course, the problem are in "the others" but not in the N85.. You must be joking....

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What everything? You seem to have a hard time being specifi. I have chargers from Nokia that that will not work with my N85, so YES it is the N85. How about this? Do what you want to do, don't address me anymore and if I find a solution or something that can help sicut, I will PM and let you find your own solution. How is that? I got nothing more to say to you.

Message Edited by sapporobaby on 30-Nov-2008 11:27 PM

[radical24]

@sicut - the answer is yes, sometimes i get to pull up the pc suite/mass etc option but the charging actually does not begin, it is a matter of the firmware and i am almost sure it should get better if not completely fixed by the upcoming firmware release. i am keeping my fingers crossed...keep us posted perhaps we will learn something new in the process of experimentation...best rad

[unob]

I have the same problem.
i got a car charger with usb-port and i use this on my HTC-phone and also to my Ipaq whit no problems. But my new N85 no CHARGING?? only a popupmeny asking PCsuit.......?

[rbreton74]

No one of my usb car chargers work with my n85. But I think that's what nokia really wants: to make you buy an original nokia charger with microusb (not mini USB) for 30€. If you're in time, I'll give your n85 back to the store.

[sapporobaby]

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29-Dec-2008 02:07 PM
rbreton74 wrote:
No one of my usb car chargers work with my n85. But I think that's what nokia really wants: to make you buy an original nokia charger with microusb (not mini USB) for 30€. If you're in time, I'll give your n85 back to the store.

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Are you saying that you would take your phone back because you are forced to use a Nokia certified charges as opposed to a 3rd party charger that might damage your phone and then you would be first in line screaming for a new phone because Nokia "screwed" you. How idiotic.