[pebo]

Hi,

I somehow can't disable the phone autolock after I encrypted my phone memory. I also can't raise the phone autolock timeout to more than 20 minutes which is a bit annoying -- you have to type in your password every time you want to make a call.

And while we're at it: Where does the device store it's encryption key when the _memory_card_ gets encrypted ``whitout saving key''?


Thanks

[pebo]

Anyone?

[daneotis]

Hi Pebo,

from what I can see, you can choose to store the key on the device itself (invisibily) and in the case of a re-format or other crash the card is not useable.

Otherwise you can store the key in a file (visibly) that can be backed up somewhere else in case of a device re-format or crash.

Dane

[naomiiii_]

Hi Pebo,

I am currently having the same problem with my E71. Have you by any chance found a way to fix it? If you have, please let me know, it's killing me having to unlock my phone with a password after every 20 minutes.

Naomi

[pebo]

No, I picked a shorter password and learned to live with it.

Also I'll buy another phone as soon as possible. While the E71-hardware is fine the software is so incredibly lame. Don't get me started about topics like Nokias 'world-leading' E-Mail client, the funny lags after you disconnected a phone call, the absolutely brain damaged multi-tasking which makes my music player stuble when I'm surfing, the not-being-connected-to-packet-network while I see frickhen 10 Bars in the antenna status---for minutes!

No, no, no.. never ever again.

[hendikoischnur]

Hi,

encrypting the phone memory and autolock are both security features - maybe one doesn´t work without the other? Have you tried disabling AutoLock before encrypting the phone memory? Maybe settings can´t be changed when it is encrypted?

Anyway, allow me a question - what exactly is the point of encrypting your phone memory? Isn´t an automatic Hardware-lock on the phone enough? Wouldn´t it be better to be able to wipe your phone memory clean in case of theft or loss? Then you wouldn´t need any encryption. I only have my memory card encrypted, nothing on the phone memory. Remote wipe is possible via Exchange (admin), "vufone" or "Kaspersky Mobile Security". If you do want encryption, you might want to try using a third-party-software for that - there is Freeware for that task, there are various websites for Symbian software (specifically for phones).

From all I have read up to now, I am very happy to own an E61 instead of a 71.

Regards,

Hendikoischnur

[pebo]

| encrypting the phone memory and autolock are both security features
| maybe one doesn´t work without the other?

Well, they both work together. Actually, the phone enforces autolock if you
encrypt your phone-memory.


| Have you tried disabling AutoLock before encrypting the phone memory?
| Maybe settings can´t be changed when it is encrypted?

Yes and yes. I tried everything. Got this phone half year ago..


| Anyway, allow me a question - what exactly is the point of encrypting your
| phone memory?

So that other people can't extract and read it.

| Isn´t an automatic Hardware-lock on the phone enough? Wouldn´t it
| be better to be able to wipe your phone memory clean in case of theft or loss?

I don't know how this remote-wipe mechanism works. I just know that I don't need
it, if all of the memory is encrypted.

But on the other hand: When I see how crippled Symbian is.. then what makes me
so sure, that they didn't screw up the implementation? And as we all know.. you
algorithm may be unbreakable.. if the implementation is weak, the concept will
fail.


| Then you wouldn´t need any encryption. I only have my memory card encrypted,
| nothing on the phone memory. Remote wipe is possible via Exchange (admin),
| "vufone" or "Kaspersky Mobile Security". If you do want encryption, you might
| want to try using a third-party-software for that - there is Freeware for that
| task, there are various websites for Symbian software (specifically for
| phones).

Like I said: encrypt your data and forget about remote wipe. I can't imagine this
working reliable.


| From all I have read up to now, I am very happy to own an E61 instead of a 71.

I'll dump Nokia forever. I admit that I already said that after the 8210 but now
there is no going back. Damn, I'm upset. When is the Palm Pre coming out???

[pebo]

Hehe.. let me just add one more thing:


You're going to bed, you turn off your phone, let it charge, turn off the
lights and start falling asleep..

And then suddenly, after about a half hour this g**damn device turns the
display on --- 100% brightness --- makes a nasty sound and lets you know that
the battery is full. Well, thanks ret*** for waking me up and sharing this
useless information.


Even my old Samsung SGH-D500 wasn't that stupid.

[hendikoischnur]

Yep, you´re right. Your phone waking you up to tell you it´s charged is annoying. Mine does beep, but it doesn´t turn the display on - at least I don´t think so... I never charge it beside my bed.

I still think remote wipe is more secure than any encryption - one would have to test both methods to really know which one is stronger. I just think, if a random thief looks at my phone and he sees nothing, he probably won´t bother trying to retrieve any data. If someone steals the phone with a very focused intention of stealing data, he will try to retrieve it and he might succeed - but in that case, the thief would also break any encryption...all it takes it time.

Regards,

Hendikoischnur

[pebo]

| I still think remote wipe is more secure than any encryption - one would have
| to test both methods to really know which one is stronger. I just think, if a
| random thief looks at my phone and he sees nothing, he probably won´t bother
| trying to retrieve any data. If someone steals the phone with a very focused
| intention of stealing data, he will try to retrieve it and he might succeed -
| but in that case, the thief would also break any encryption...all it takes it
| time.

Well, breaking encryption mechanisms is not easy at all. If the implementation
is not broken and your key/password is strong you have only brute force left.
And that means decades of trial and error if you don't have the necessary
computing power (read: clusters), but even then it will take you a painful
amount of time.

No conventional thief will try that hard. And thats what it's all about:
preventing __most__ people from reading your data.

[robertz · Accepted solution]

Install an application that lets you manage processes/tasks, find the autolock task, and then kill it.  This is what I do. 

[pebo]

lol, thats a good one. and probably the only thing possible.

[andymglory]

please assist on how i can disable phone autolock on E71

[sunnikp]

I disabled...after long days of trial and error, finally.



Its easy..go to menu-tools-encryption.

choose the phone memory to 'off'. (if u have ur phone encrypted, u have to first decrypt it)



now go to tools-settings-general-security-phone and sim card-phone autolock period.

change to 'none'



DONE .

[accutelmt]

Had this problem but finally figured it out... U have to unencrypte ur phone then u can change the lock settings

[zothanisindane]

to unencrypte my memory card it needs passphrase word, how do i retrieve dat word guy