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Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

Mobile Visionary
thetao
Posts: 1,016

Nokia predictive text sucks

I don't come here often to complain, as in spite of a few limitations, I've experienced few problems with my E73.  But one feature that still puzzled me is Nokia's implementation of predictive text.  I have been playing with it tonight and now can't believe it exists in its current form on a refined device like the E73.

 

First, is there a really good on-line tutorial somewhere that explains the predictive text logic in-depth?  Maybe that would help.  (Keep in mind the E73 is a full-keyboard phone, and most tutorials I've seen assume a numeric keypad only.)  But here are my main complaints:

 

1) Predictive text was not designed for use in the web browser.  When typing in a text field, moving up or down is supposed to supply a list of possible words...but up and down are also how you navigate out of a text field on a S60 3rd ed. phone.  There are so many times when I've wanted to move the cursor/pointer but see a list of words instead.  There should be a way to either disable the word list, or to make it appear through some other means.

 

2) Predictive text considers all punctuation the same as alphanumeric characters.  When typing, it will insert the proper word, which I often want to immediately follow with a comma or a period, but this instead causes the word to truncate.  I would prefer it treat all punctuation the same as a space, i.e, the end of the word.  This might cause problems for words that contain punctuation, but there are relatively few of these.  This would also keep snips of words out of the custom dictionary.

 

BTW, I found Nokia's Custom Dictionary app on the Nokia Labs site just this evening.  I appreciate them making it available, but it seems I shall be using it far too regularly to remove junk. :smileysad:

 

3) Sometimes I will see a single word suggestion floating in the window, but the suggestion is either for a capitalized word or for a word fragment.  Perhaps I don't understand how this feature is meant to work, but right now it seems totally useless, and I would prefer to turn it off as well.

 

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

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Counsellor
algotechie
Posts: 139

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

A possible solution to 1 is press the right softkey after typing the word. Then pressing the up or down key won't present a list of words.

As for the rest of the issues, yes I'm just surprised how someone could pass that functionality in the present form. Typical Nokia.
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Mobile Visionary
thetao
Posts: 1,016

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

 


algotechie wrote:
A possible solution to 1 is press the right softkey after typing the word. Then pressing the up or down key won't present a list of words.

 

True.  There may be other solutions, too, like pressing Right on the D-Pad?  But these seen un-natural to me.

 

Two other complaints:

 

1) I have "Number matches" disabled in Settings, but this doesn't prevent words beginning with numbers (or primarily containing numbers) from entering the user dictionary.  I don't suppose it was actually designed to work this way, but think this would have been a good idea.

 

2) Has anyone else tried using their phone to Reply to a post ON THIS VERY BOARD with predictive text on??  (And I mean Reply, not Quick Reply.)  It's bizarre!  Perhaps it's partly a browser bug with Javascript or CSS, but I do know the problem does not occur in textarea fields on other sites.  If "Word auto-completion" is enabled, any words suggested by predictive text are taken as the correct word, and continuing to type will append the additional characters to that word.  Separarely (I think), caps or numbers may be forced automatically.  So when trying to type the word "something", this happens

 

s

so

sometimes

sometimese

sometimese2

sometimese26

sometimese26i

sometimese26i9

sometimese26i95

 

Thankfully there is a Deactivate Prediction option on the menu.

 

Keep in mind that my phone is an E73, so your results may vary.

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Counsellor
algotechie
Posts: 139

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

Yes actually I meant the D-pad right; never mind the slip. My model (E71) has, in addition to the option of turning the predictive text on or off, two additional options: Typing correction and Automatic word completion. If yours does have those options, try turning typing correction off (so you can type whatever you wish, even if it's A wrong word), and keep the automatic word completion turned on (so you still get the predicted word as faint text which you can commit by pressing the spacebar or the right D-pad or you can continue typing ignoring the completion). That way, you can always get the list of words by pressing the up and down keys. This fixes the problem you described using the "something" example.

As for the right D-pad key feeling unnatural to tell the text field that you have completed your word and therefore no longer need the list of words, well, that's a bit subjective as I think there has to be some way to tell that the word is complete. So, what would be your choice for this? You can also press the spacebar for the purpose, but unless the receiving end trims the text, you'll then need to press backspace to delete the space character.
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Counsellor
algotechie
Posts: 139

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

Oh, just noticed you mentioned the problem occures only with the particular site. Well, I use the mobile version of the site while on the phone (it's easier and faster), so didn't experience that problem. But if you get the same text area (the phone's buit-in one to enter text) and not something specifically provided by the site, it's probably not the site's fault. And I'm surprised this doesn't happen on other sites. Weird.
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Mobile Visionary
thetao
Posts: 1,016

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

On the E73, the Predictive Text settings look like this (* = my settings)

 

Word auto-completion

Off

On *

 

Text correction level

High

Medium *

Off

 

Number matches

Not shown *

Shown

 

Text correction mode

Show suggested word

Show test as entered *

 

I suspect the E71 is the same, even if the names are slightly different.  All of my settings seem reasonable, so don't think changing them would alter the E73's behavior when replying to posts on this site with the Reply editor.  BTW, while I can easily switch between the Full and Mobile interfaces, I've tended to use whatever the site serves me.  Probably 90% of the time, the default is the Full version.  Not sure if that's unusual, or why the version varies randomly.

 

With Predictive Text off, there is still a problem with textarea fields (but ONLY on this site!) where the caps lock can get stuck on.  What appears to happen is the "capitalize first letter" feature, i.e. "Abc" in the title bar never reverts to "abc" after typing a character, the result being all caps.  I can switch to lower case letters, but only one character at a time.  The only "fix" is to move the cursor to a 1-line (i.e. a text input) field and type something there to trigger the change.  So I don't know what the problem is, but the coding on this site appears to be triggering bug(s) in the browser. :smileysad:

 

My typical solution, though, is to use "Quick reply" instead of "Reply", which works fine.

 

As for telling the phone that a word is complete, the problem for me is the blocking nature of the T9 dictionary list that appears when pressing Up or Down.  I am still getting used to Nokia's Predictive Text, but have just realized this list crops up everywhere there is a full screen editor.  It pops up in Notes, in QuickOffice, etc.  But there is another popup GUI which floats in the window and appears to suggest user dictionary words and maybe mis-spelled words, just one word at a time.  I would like an option to use this interface 100%, instead of the current blocking GUI:

 

1) Press an alphanumeric key, and it may suggest a combined list of T9 words, user dictionary words, and correctable words.  Perhaps the number of suggestions can be configurable, too, from 2-5 words.  Keep typing to ignore the choices, or press Fn+Up or Fn+Dn to access the list.

 

2) Press a non-alphanumeric key (space, period, comma, dash, etc.) to signify a word boundary.  New words longer than 3 (?) characters go in the user dictionary, optionally ignoring words that start with, or primarily containing numbers.

 

3) When cursoring around a docunment, the GUI from 1) still appears, perhaps after a short delay.  But it would never block your input, and would float around the window and hopefully never get in your way.

 

The above likely isn't perfect, but I think it would be much better than the current system.  The trick would be to implement it in-house and then subject it to real-world testing...which IMHO wasn't done enough for the current implementation.

 

But with the move to touch screens, perhaps this thread is coming too late? :smileysad:

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Counsellor
algotechie
Posts: 139

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

The way you posted the settings makes it so easy to see what exactly might be going on with the text prediction feature. Yes, the E71 is almost the same. The settings are all fine except I would suggest trying to set "Text correction level" to off and see if that makes it a bit more to your liking. Since the specific problem seems to appear only on this site, it would seem the phone's feature is not something that's at the wrong. Instead of changing the predictive text settings awkwardly to make them compatible with one site and breaking them for everything else, I think it's more suitable to mold the particular site's behavior while you still can, that is, either use Quick Reply or use the mobile version. The version presented by default depends upon the site itself - it sniffs the client (the browser) and for some browsers determines that the desktop version is the best and for some others thinks that the mobile version would be a good thing as the client might not handle all the features efficiently. Therefore, the default version (desktop or mobile) served by the website of itself changes from browser to browser. Then too, on one and the same browser, if the site has stored a cookie with your preferences, it might display the last chosen version the next time. Cookies keep getting deleted or expiring; so the version served by the site might change again. So yes, it's almost random.

Quick Reply uses the plain text mode, so it works normally.

I didn't quite get your description of the T9's list of words. What is meant by the 'blocking' nature? Does it mean that it makes you to necessarily choose one of the suggested words? Well, if that is the case, Nokia really makes it a big deal to type something different from the suggested word; it seems to think whatever it's chosen for you is simply the best and exactly what you want. That is the aspect I don't like of Nokia, and it's apparent everywhere, not just in the text prediction feature. Little customization. And the defaults are not suited for normal humans, I don't know where, if at all, they get the user experience reports from.

The 3-point wishlist you presented above is amazing; my idea of a perfect text prediction system too. And the sad thing is, it could have been done with the existing technology as it requires no changes in the underlying structure. (Given what the predictive system already does, the above suggestions could easily have been made into the options.) But Nokia just doesn't understand how normal people use their device. That's why it always takes an awkward number of clicks to get to a feature no matter how common it might be.

A little off-topic: When you open a pictures folder (not the Gallery which I never understood what it is other than a mess) and click on a picture to view it, what is your immediate expectation? That you'd press the D-pad keys to view the previous/next pictures. Isn't it? Well, not possible. You need to close the viewer, scroll to the next picture, and click it again. Same with the music or video files. Talk about usability studies.
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Mobile Visionary
thetao
Posts: 1,016

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

Thanks for the "Text Correction Level" suggestion.  I made the change, and so far don't see a major difference, but will toggle it back and forth for a couple days to experiment.

 

By "blocking", I meant to say that that when pressing Up or Down on a word, the T9 lists steals focus away from the cursor.  You can't keep cursoring and must respond to the list.  I am slowly training myself to the Nokia way of doing things, but it's still annoying. :smileysad:

 

It's possible the version of this site that appears is cookie controlled, but at the same time, my E73 seems to be logged-in permanently, through a cookie, of course.  It would be odd for one cookie to keep expiring while the login cookie remains, so I am still leaning towards a bug in the web site.  It's only a small inconvenience.

 

By "pictures folder", do you mean a directory of pictures (like camera snapshots) as seen through the File Manager?  I expect the D-Pad to do something, and just remembered that it's used here to scroll around the picture, it it's either too large for the screen or if you've zoomed in.  But using left and right to move through a directory of pictures does make a lot of sense.  There are very few times when you have just one picture, and closing one picture only to load a new one wastes unnecessary time.  I don't use the Gallery much either, as it takes a long time to load.  It seems like a feature Nokia might use to advertise the phone in a video presentation, but which isn't terribly useful in practice.

 

Thanks for all the feedback! :smileyhappy:

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New Member
StigOfTheDump
Posts: 1

Re: Nokia predictive text sucks

Sorry to hijack your thread but I can't find a button to start a new one.

 

If I type "Hello" for my first word my e7 changes it to hello. If I type "hello" it changes it to Hello. I find this really annoying. I can go back through my message and edit it, but it makes it much less convenient. My PC, laptop, pencil and Biro all write what I input. At  "the cemetry side of the semi-century", I find it hard to write wrong to get it to come out write.

 

All topics on this forum seem to suggest turning off the predictive text on other phones, but nothing particular to mine. In Settings, Phone, Language, Predictive text, I only have 2 tick boxes namely Number keypad and Letter keyboard. Both are un-checked.

 

Does anyone know how to disable this annoying quirk?

 

Thanks

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