[Stiletto]

I'm not sure if I can reply to this as my post may be considered a 'bump' and could be deleted like the last one.

I have tried out playing musinc and running the GPS and I do get the commands that I would want, so all good in that respect. Although listening to AC/DC may not have been the best choice as it made some of the commands difficult to hear. ;-)

The problem with this approach is that this will reduce the battery level on both the phone and the Bluetooth headset as there is a constant channel open.

It's a workaround but a fix is required. Hopefully sense will prevail and the New Windows 8 phones will have this requirement included.

[FROSTY2]

if u have aux in jack in car use that for nokia drive voice commands through car speakers and bluetooth for handsfree phone commands it works on my nokia 900 and vw gti bluetooth

[kellettcorp]

I acknowledge that this solution may not suit everyone; but it would suit me. 

As someone mentioned previously, there is no real need (or desire) for passengers to hear Voice Guidance or phone calls; only music and conversation. 

Therefore, I believe that a decent solution would be to conduct voice guidance and phone calls over a BT Headset and let music be streamed to the car speakers.  In this way, the passengers can hold conversations or listen to music whilst the driver is getting private guidance and holding phone conversations; and passengers can go about their business, oblivious to, and uninterrupted by, the driver’s ‘business’.

Since the BT protocol for headsets seems to be distinct from that of the car stereo, it strikes me that it cannot be beyond the wit of man (or currently installed technology) to achieve such an arrangement by a software update by Nokia and/or Microsoft.  Does anyone see a problem with this suggestion?  The only compromise would be that phone calls would temporarily disable audible guidance, as they did in earlier handset software; such as the N95, for example.

Why does it seem that technology is going backwards, at the current time?  With my old N95, it was synched with Outlook 2003, silently, every time I went within 10 metres of my laptop or PC; I got voice guidance and phone calls in private, without disturbing passengers; I could choose NOT to travel on toll roads or motorways; I could pick any song as a ring-tone for any person; I could transfer files to my phone without waiting many minutes for slow outgoing connections to the ‘cloud’, then all the way back to the phone, when the PC from which they were transferred was sitting right next to me.  It is like being in an episode of the ‘Big Bang Theory’, watching them turn down the stereo via the internet, when it would have been quicker to get up and turn the dial by hand; or taking 30 minutes to dish out Chinese food with a robot arm.  Neat that you can; but hardly “progress”!

[bc3tech]

It's worth noting that on NON Nokia Windows Phones, where Bing Maps & Directions are used, the directions ARE sent to my current bluetooth headset. The phone in question is an HTC Trophy running Windows Phone 7. A week ago I purchased my first Nokia Lumia, the 822, only to find this issue.

To see that Nokia doesn't plan on fixing it is inexcusable. As so many others have said; it's doing it wrong. Please fix or I'll be returning my Nokia for an HTC.

[Brian_J]

I posted this

http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maps-Navigation-and-GPS/Nokia-Maps-Sound-Output-over-Bluetooth-Lumia...

as a new thread before reading down the list.  By the sound of it, its not just me with this problem.

I believe it is fixable on Windows Phone due to the Text To Speech feature in Windows Phone already does what we all want Nokia Drive to do.

Thanks Brian

[swyost]

It is absolutely untrue that it is a limitation of Windows Phone 7 or 8. Other Windows Phones using other apps (Bing Maps, etc.) have no problem giving voice directions through a car's bluetooth system.  This is a major failure on Nokia's part.  Basically, I have the choice of using my phone hand's free and having to look at the screen for directions or disabling hand's free bluetooth to get voice guidance. Neither are an accepatble option for a supposedly exclusive app that brings enhanced functionality. It is also forces the user in a growing number of places to choose between using their phone legally (hand's free) or illegally while in a vehicle.  Nokia Drive is, in reality, a more primative app than apps that have been on the market for years. Essentially, a feature weak but useable app (Bing Maps) has been replaced by a prettier but useless one. If it is not addressed this will certainly be my first and last Nokia phone. Absolutely embarrassing....

[mads333]

I have a hands free, Bury 9600 CC, and a Lumia 800.

I have the same problem with Bluetooth, Nokia Drive and getting the voice over the car speaker.

On the Bury 9600 CC I found an option to turn on/off A2DP,(see below).

When turning it off I got voice guidance from the phone speaker, and could still use the phone with hands free.

But then I couldn't use the Bury 9600 CC for controlling the Music Hub on the phone.

Turning A2DP on again, I can control the Music Hub, use hands free but no voice guidance from phone speaker or car speaker. 

So here I see a part of the problem/solution.

And when we get the WP7.8 update Nokia updates Bluetooth transfer of DRM. (Again see below, the last 2 lines)

Will this update bring good or bad news for the hands free or will it not do anything at all?

Does Nokia know that it could be in the A2DP/DRM connections that the problem is?

And will Nokia solve this problem now that we know other WP-brands can use handsfree  GPS/navigation?

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Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP)

This profile defines how high quality audio (stereo or mono) can be streamed from one device to another over a Bluetooth connection. For example, music can be streamed from a mobile phone, to a wireless headset, hearing aid & cochlear implant streamer, car audio, or from a laptop/desktop to a wireless headset.

A2DP was initially used in conjunction with an intermediate Bluetooth transceiver that connects to a standard audio output jack, encodes the incoming audio to a Bluetooth-friendly format, and sends the signal wirelessly to Bluetooth headphones that decode and play the audio. Bluetooth headphones, especially the more advanced models, often come with a microphone and support for the Headset (HSP),Hands-Free (HFP) and Audio/Video Remote Control (AVRCP) profiles.

A2DP is designed to transfer a uni-directional 2-channel stereo audio stream, like music from an MP3 player, to a headset or car radio.[1]This profile relies on AVDTP and GAVDP. It includes mandatory support for the low-complexity SBC codec (not to be confused with Bluetooth's voice-signal codecs such as CVSDM), and supports optionally: MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, AAC, and ATRAC, and is extensible to support manufacturer-defined codecs, such as apt-X. Some Bluetooth stacks enforce the SCMS-T digital rights management (DRM) scheme. In these cases, it is impossible to connect certain A2DP headphones for high quality audio.

[bc3tech]

Thanks for this post regarding A2DP. Here I was trying to find a good Bluetooth device that supported A2DP so that I could get this functionality back. I won't bother now. I'm going to look at getting rid of my 822 for an HTC 8x. This couple with the buggy freezing and lag of Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps not being able to find the same businesses here in the Twin Cities that Bing Maps finds, the massive disconnect between Maps and Drive, and the random reboots I get when inductively charging, this phone hasn't proven anything to me.

[didilalala]

Stand corrected, it is not a microsoft restriction it is a software design.I am using a N8 belle Fp1 and our latest version of drive does not route drive guidance over bluetooth.Me I dont have any in car radio with bluetooth. I am using my AUX connection.The audio player and the voice guidance are routed to the AUX all together while only the phone calls are routed to my hand free nokia car speaker.If My AUX is out of the headphone jack and if the music is playing it will be output to the handfree.Regardless I would prefer to have the voice guidance to the handfree speaker while the music player would still on the headset output when connected.

[didilalala]

I just fired up back my 5800 express music and as I remembered: maps versions prior from Maps suite 2.0, do in deed route the voice guidance over bluetooth regardless if the music player is playing or not. So it was that way before, it just been re-design differently when developping the new maps apps concept. It's evident that not every ones are happy with it . just hope tht the maps suite developpement team are stil open to suggestion for more improvement because more flexibility in that portion would be welcome.

[bbao]

After further investigation it turns out that voice guidance is not available through Bluetooth by design and is not intended to be used through a bluetooth connection.

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I too think it is by design due to a safety consideration, as the driver may not clearly hear the surrounding sounds while driving, which is very dangerous.

[bc3tech]

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bbao wrote:

After further investigation it turns out that voice guidance is not available through Bluetooth by design and is not intended to be used through a bluetooth connection.

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I too think it is by design due to a safety consideration, as the driver may not clearly hear the surrounding sounds while driving, which is very dangerous.

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Sorry you're simply not correct.

Purchased a Sound ID 5 Series bluetooth earpiece, supporting A2DP. Paired to my phone, it pairs as "Voice, Music".

All sounds from the phone, including navigation voice, come through the headset.

So the issue is in the re-design of the bluetooth stack for WP8, and can be surmounted with a bluetooth device that supports the correct audio profiles which I believe to be 'music' in order to get the voice navigation to be sent to the device.

[BlackBass]

Hi everyone!

I'm new here, but I've been a Nokia fan and onwer for the last 15 years!

I just got a Lumia 820 and I've a Nokia CK-300 bluetooth car kit (BT 1.2 and A2DP 1.0).

Voice directions from Here Drive and music is streamed to the aux channel... and that's ok for me, as it is exactly what I'm looking for... listening to music from my Nokia and get directions from it as well... but I've a big problem with Here Drive app... when directions are spoken, music pauses... and that's just terrible! Songs are paused every 10 seconds and that's a torture, making impossible to listen to music while using the navigator!

I've been using this headset with Tom Tom on Nokia N95 and Nokia Maps on N97, and they all worked perfectly, with both music and directions playing together and the possibility to set volumes as needed... with Here Drive I can not find a way to listen to music and directions at the same time... is there any solution to that?!

Thank you very much for the support!!!!!

Piero from Italy

[didilalala]

Hard in deed to please every ones!. Our curent operating mode with the Drive from maps suite 2.0 for symbiant on my N8 FP1 has seperate volume levels for voice guidance and the general volume for music.And in facts it does not pause the music but lower down the music volume to let hear the voice guidance.Witch was a complain from others user who would prefer the music pause method trhat you discribe on your version of drive for WP8.So Nokia being in the buisness of car navigation with smat phones for a while now should stay focused and continue improving.We like the maps/drive products from Nokia but we expect more and we definetly wish even further levels of flexibility/customisation/users settings.