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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

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ScootersMom
Posts: 1

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

So do I just download the HTML5 app? And then I will be able to do the things that require Adobe? I am a brand new owner of this phone and got it because of the limitations on the iPhone.
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rayhipkiss
Posts: 3,308

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

  


ScootersMom wrote:
So do I just download the HTML5 app? And then I will be able to do the things that require Adobe? I am a brand new owner of this phone and got it because of the limitations on the iPhone.

There isn't a HTML5 app to download. HTML5 is built into the browser on the phone.

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kaustav2304
Posts: 1

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

Here is the deal....

 

People who are using N8 and are able to watch flash content, can have that priviledge, since N8 runs symbian OS, which supports flash (a lighter version though). However, the symbian OS is gradually becoming obsolete (lets not focus on the reasons for now).

 

Lumia 920, though made by Nokia, uses a different OS, i.e. Windows Phone (which is not desktop Windows, so lets not expect it can do everything your desktop OS can), which definitely is a beautiful OS, with lots of zazzy features, but does not support flash, which partially is bacuse adobe is no longer going to support flash for mobile devices, and also becuase flash uses a lot of resources of your phone making it lag, and is buggy.

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roninz
Posts: 9

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

People, you don't get it!

 

Flash is NOT just for playing VIDEO, but for games, webcam and conference sites and other tens of millions of sites, that work on the script in flash object. It's not just BBC, but other millions of people who will not do what nokia (and other mobile W8 supporters) want them to do. HTML - even in 5th version - is still HTML, which stands for Hyper Text Markup Language. Another words, you can just make a layout of the page (with native support for simple multimedia objects), but you can't create animated movies, games or any other application, that is more difficult that just “choose yes or no”.
Sorry for technical language, but I have to use it to explain.
I just don't get it - how and why people refuse to use flash in favour of HTML5, which:
1) is absolutely new and has lots of things to fix and to develop
2) doesn't contain scripts in it - you can create games with javascript, but it's a really big pain in the **bleep** and you can't develop anything similar to what you can do with flash.

 

I hate Apple's devices for keeping to ignore flash support, but at least sometimes they have apps to compensate this gap, but I'd never think NEW SMARTPHONE would NOT support flash!
That being said I'd rather to buy old N8 than new 820/920.

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adrianhughes
Posts: 7,184

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

hi Roninz,

sorry but as this is a user to user forum only for Nokia products and services, it would perhaps be better to take your issues up with Adobe over at their website.
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rayhipkiss
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

  


roninz wrote:

People, you don't get it!

 

 

 

I hate Apple's devices for keeping to ignore flash support, but at least sometimes they have apps to compensate this gap, but I'd never think NEW SMARTPHONE would NOT support flash!
That being said I'd rather to buy old N8 than new 820/920.


Did you know that if you were to buy a brand new Android device running the latest version of the OS (Jellybean) you wouldn't have any Flash support for it? You see, Adobe ceased development of Flash for mobile devices so the latest version for mobiles isn't compatible with Jellybean.

 This means that pretty soon no mobile devices will have any form of Flash player at all, so you'd be better off getting used to this fact and move on.

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snowydingo
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

Any reason I can't use YouTube or watch videos from Facebook? Every time, it says "sorry, we can't play this file on your phone". Does this sound like a phone fault?
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rayhipkiss
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

  


snowydingo wrote:
Any reason I can't use YouTube or watch videos from Facebook? Every time, it says "sorry, we can't play this file on your phone". Does this sound like a phone fault?

No issues for me when playing videos from YouTube or Facebook. I use MetroTube to access YouTube videos and Facebook Touch for Facebook.

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snowydingo
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

Yea, tried metrotube and had no joy. I live in Perth, Australia, and I got Telstra to change my simcard today but that didn't fix it. Funny thing is, if I connect thru my friends WiFi at his house (also Telstra) I could use YouTube. I get decent 3g coverage on my phone, so it should be enough for YouTube, considering my galaxy s2 was fast using YouTube
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roninz
Posts: 9

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

@adrianhughes

It's a thread about Nokia and Adobe, isn't it? Or should I go to Adobe to discuss Nokia phones and why it doesn't support flash?

 

@rayhipkiss

I never thought of buying an Android device - don't ask me why.

 

What I do expect when I'm buying a smartphone for $700 (that's an approximate price in my country) is that it will do the same things as my netbook for $300 does and I will have no issues browsing the web. I was that close to buy 820, but refused when I evaluated all pros and cons of it. Why pay that much for the device that doesn't give you what you want for your money, huh?

I think Adobe made a weak and selfish decision - they refused to IMPROVE their mobile version. But in the meantime they didn't refuse to continue to develop their version for desktops and laptops while smartphones are that close to reach the performance of laptop (or already did!).

Why do I need 2 cores at 1.6 GHz if there is no app to test it? Flash would be a great helper to test the performance of the phone.

Actually, flash support is a matter of OS, but not the phone (@adrianhughes, don't address me to microsoft lol!).

I told this before, but I'll repeat: HTML5 (or whatever version it will be) will never give what flash gives on desktops and laptops - whatever they do it will still be just HTML. 

 

Anyway, it's a matter of choice - whether for Adobe, Nokia or for the end-user...

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Mobile Guru
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?


roninz wrote:

@adrianhughes

It's a thread about Nokia and Adobe, isn't it? Or should I go to Adobe to discuss Nokia phones and why it doesn't support flash?


I think Adobe made a weak and selfish decision - they refused to IMPROVE their mobile version. 


I guess you answered your own question here. Adobe have discontinued support for mobile devices in general, so you need to take it up with them.

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rayhipkiss
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

@roninz

 

 Why would you expect full desktop functionality when buying a smart phone? It's predominantly just a phone afterall. Besides, after using the N8 for two years you sort of get used to not having full Flash so not having any Flash support at all is no big deal for me. I'm having a hard time understanding why people bleat about Flash for mobiles so much.

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roninz
Posts: 9

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

@rayhipkiss

 

Yes, a smart phone must be a phone in the first place. But whose this fault that smartphone is NOT just a phone, but a small PC these days, huh?

The reason I'm expecting full desktop functionality is because I see NO reasons why it can't be done now with the latest processor and OS.

As per your N8 usage – you still can view flash content of up to 9 version, which is pretty enough sometimes.

If you can't understand "why people bleat about Flash for mobiles so much", try to watch an old black-and-white TV: yes – you will still watch it, but just in 2 colours without stereo and interactivity, so to make it colour you'll have to paint your TV's screen and you'll never get stereo even with 2 loudspeakers.

See what I mean?

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adrianhughes
Posts: 7,184

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

@Roninz,

As has been stated to you SEVERAL times this is an Adobe issue, so yes you will need to take it up with them. Whether its a Nokia phone, a Samsung, a LG, it's all the same - Adobe Flash development is dead and many websites are moving away from it. Ranting and raving here is a pointless and futile exercise. You are expecting too much, and not going to get it. Move on, mate, like the rest of us have.....Flash won't be missed, it was big and gluggy and painful at times.
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roninz
Posts: 9

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

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@adrianhughes

 

Yes, that's an Adobe issue, but this topic is about supporting flash in Nokia phone. And it's just my opinion that so expensive device simply MUST provide what people want from it for their money.
I still don't agree with you in terms of "many websites are moving away from it" – too many work on that and I strongly doubt they will ever move from that in favour of poor HTML5.
As per "it was big and gluggy and painful at times." – yes, it's still such in desktops and laptops, but just like any other app for Windows. And it's being improved, don't you see?
"Flash won't be missed" - I advice you to remove flash plugin from your desktop/laptop and try to surf the web. Will you still enjoy it after? If so, then it's really fine for you :smileyhappy:
Anyway, I think this topic must be closed as further discussion makes no sense since no one will change his point of view.

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adrianhughes
Posts: 7,184

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

funnily enough, there is no websites that i rely on for Flash content. The only thing i would get upset about is StickCricket, but then there's an iPhone app for that isn't there?

as have been pointed out by other folks on this thread, such as Rayhipkiss, why would you even want to watch Flash movies, or play games on your mobile? you can get much better games with better graphics as standalone games on each platform in their app stores. truth be told, i'm glad to see the back of it, same with other gluggy bandwidth-wasting trends over the years such as the old layouts of MySpace etc. going back to your first post in all of this, if people want webcams and conferences, then they use Skype. Lot less problems, less bandwidth wastage, less bugs. It is true that Adobe are still updating Flash, but it just looks like maintenance more than any real performance gains.

Besides, you say that Nokia must put it in their phones. You are aware that this whole time you've been barking up the wrong tree? Addition of main operating system features such as Flash lies with the platform developer, in this case, Microsoft, so please take your feature suggestion there: http://windowsphone.uservoice.com
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roninz
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Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

> funnily enough, there is no websites that i rely on for Flash content. The only thing i would get upset about is >StickCricket, but then there's an iPhone app for that isn't there?

Does Nokia 820/920 support apps for iPhone? lol
And it's definitely we are living in different worlds...

 

> as have been pointed out by other folks on this thread, such as Rayhipkiss, why would you
> even want to watch Flash movies, or play games on your mobile? you can get much better
> games with better graphics as standalone games on each platform in their app stores. truth be
> told, i'm glad to see the back of it, same with other gluggy bandwidth-wasting trends over the >years
Damn, you don't get it again. I'm tired to repeat the same thing on and on: you open a site, see a game, you like it and you want to play it on your phone. And you can't as it doesn't have an app! And you don’t have a choice - that’s the point! Period!

 

> Besides, you say that Nokia must put it in their phones. You are aware that this whole time
> you've been barking up the wrong tree? Addition of main operating system features such as
> Flash lies with the platform developer, in this case, Microsoft, so please take your feature
> suggestion there: http://windowsphone.uservoice.com
I'm barking up the right tree. Since good portion (if not the most) of Nokia 820/920 cost is the cost of OS, Nokia COULD require MS or better - Adobe to supply this feature.
As per Microsoft, they never listen to what people are telling them: they left the initial design and navigation of desktop W8 after it had been criticized numerous times for the lack of usability.

 

Like I said in my previous message - everything is already said by all of us. Case is closed.

Stop challenge me finally!

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Mobile Overlord
cjlim
Posts: 15,319

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

You are correct. Case is closed.

 

Flash is proprietory so it is up to Adobe to provide support to newer devices which they have decided not to do. Flash is effectively dead and that's the end of it. Any further comments or requests regarding this should be directed to Adobe. 

 

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/contact.html?promoid=JOPDO

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caitlin1759
Posts: 409

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

I don't think it's strictly correct that flash doesn't work on Jelly Bean. The BBC iplayer and Catch Up TV work on Jelly Bean so there is the time that at least until whatever replaces Jelly Bean comes in for Android to sort this.

The problem Windows had is things work on Apple as there are specific apps for them; things work on Android as it still has Flash (and just keeping on saying it's obsolete, get over it isn't really adding anything. Obsolete or not it allows functions on other os systems) but all Windows can offer is, as far as I can see, to say, app developers will have to come up with something when Flash is completely obsolete. Which really means when there are no phones still running Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich or Jelly Bean and Google have released Krispy Kreme our whatever comes after JB.

It's not really selling it. I'm surprised how much I use the UK tv apps on long train journeys. There's nothing in Windows apps comes remotely close.
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Mobile Overlord
cjlim
Posts: 15,319

Re: Does nokia lumia 920 support adobe flash?

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It's Key Lime Pie and Adobe will not be supporting it either. Are you seriously implying that users will forgo Key Lime Pie update and stay on GB and ICS to use Flash? Adobe have left Flash for dead. The issue here in plain English is Adobe have stopped supported Flash. 

 

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/flash-is-dead-long-live-html5/1633

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