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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

Counsellor
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Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

I don't know how else to describe this. When I switch on the phone, all the standby icons load etc and I start to move across to an app on the 7 standby buttons and it sort of flashes and resets the cursor back at the first standby app.

It also does it the first time I enter the menu grid after a restart.

It's annoying. Why doesn't it just not let me press anything until its finished booting?

Is there any way to counter this?
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
Posts: 26,986

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

No, it's just the way it works.

You need to be patient and wait that few extra seconds whilst it finishes loading all of it's background apps.
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Counsellor
Posts: 48

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

Well I hope they get it fixed in a future firmware. It doesn't look good when people turn on a device for the first time and it jumps them around the screen.

In the scale of things I am sure it would be an easy fix.
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

It's not a bug, it doesn't need fixing.

It's just the system booting.

It is normal.
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Counsellor
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

Call it what you want. You are looking at this completely wrong. It is a problem because it negatively impacts the user experience. It appears the phone has finished booting but it hasn't.
It allows the user to start using things and then resets. Explain to me how that can possibly be a good thing and doesn't need 'fixing'?

If everyone took your attitude we'd all still have monochrome screens and 56K modems. Answer me this. Are you seriously going to argue that if it didn't do that, it wouldn't be better?
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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Would you prefer to go back to the old way that they used to boot? Switch them on then wait nearly a minute before it displays the home screen? Is it not better to see your home screen than stare at the nokia logo until it's fully ready? I'll stick with the new system, not take a step backwards.

Have you not used older models, do you not see how much faster at booting they are now than they used to be?

Like all computers it needs time to boot. On most windows PC's you cannot use them the very second the desktop appears. You need to wait a few seconds longer before it becomes responsive.

Do you know nothing about computers or smartphones?

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Counsellor
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

If Windows is the pinnacle of your aspirations for what a computer should be - that could be your problem! Try a few other OS's and then come and play ball...

Just because 'smart' phones used to be worse doesn't mean things now can not be improved. Is that really the best point you can argue? You're stance is weak in the extreme. Why you want to try and defend the indefensible is utterly baffling.

I'll ask you directly, once more for the people in the cheap seats...

Are you seriously trying to tell me that if the screen didn't do the icon resetting, it wouldn't be better?

It is clear you understand very little about software. This bug can be removed without adding minutes to boot up. Maybe 3-4 seconds. It wouldn't make the world stop turning. It wouldn't signal the end of life as we know it. It would simply make for a more positive user experience.

After all, what is the point of viewing the icons sooner if the user can't even use them? Or worse still, it will reset any input they make? Again, I re-iterate my argument - please explain how that amounts to a positive user experience?

It seems self evident you can't argue that point, hence your habit or avoiding direct questions and going off on tangents...
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
Posts: 26,986

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

I find it laughable that you are making such a big deal over a few seconds. :smileyvery-happy:

Do you spend all day switching your phone on and off and getting wound up about a little flicker? Are you such an impatient person that 4 seconds makes a massive difference to your life?

The point is that the way it boots has improved greatly over past models. When the next operating system is released they will probably improve it even more and this oh so annoying 4 second flicker may be gone for good.
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leonwu2705
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

I agree with psychomania. This is not a bug and it happens with everything! Your computer takes time to load, your car takes time by twisting the key, so why not a smartphone? If you think it can be fixed with an update, then you are terribly wrong. If it didn't happen, your phone would immediately crash because no applications would be ready. Anyway, when I turn on my phone, I'm not necessarily going to use it, so you should keep your phone on most of the time.
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Counsellor
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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You still seem unable to answer the question. Would, or would it not be a better experience if the phone didn't do it? Are you ever going to answer that question?

At first you were arguing how great it was that smart phones didn't take as long to boot and we should all be thankful for that. You are now arguing "Are you such an impatient person that 4 seconds makes a massive difference to your life?"

The point is, it makes for a negative user experience. Sony Ericsson doesn't do it, the iPhone doesn't do it - why do you find it acceptable that the N95 should? Are you so easily pleased?

leonwu2705 - your point is even weaker than hulkmania's. I am not talking about the time it takes to load...

My point is merely that the phone OS should load, then allow user input. At present the software almost loads, allows some user input, then resets that input when the OS finishes loading. That is a problem because it negatively impacts on the user experience.

leonwu2705 - Does your car engine start, allow you to pull away a few feet and then stop (because say the oil isn't warm enough yet) and then start again and allow you to drive away? Would that be a problem? It would only take a few seconds "Are you such an impatient person that 4 seconds makes a massive difference to your life?" Would it be acceptable?

No? So why do you accept it on your phone?

Finally, why are you both telling me 'it's not a bug?' - I never said it was! It was hulkmania who stated it 'wasn't' a bug. I was merely asking if there was any way to stop it happening. In the absence of a solution, it is an improvement that needs making, regardless of whether or not you concede the point.

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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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This thread has turned into a pathetic rant. No need to get personal by mocking someones username.

If 4 seconds bothers you that much then you seriously need to get a life.

The system needs to boot, simple as that. You know it's going to do the jump so don't use it until it's done it. SIMPLE. If you don't like the way that nokia's do it then buy another brand.

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leonwu2705
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

T-rex, calm down. We are not silly little children. Build a bridge and get over it. If you really can't wait for 4 seconds, don't turn your phone off. If any of you moderators are reading this, I hope you shut this post cause there is no troubleshooting problem but really just an angry dinosaur. I do not agree that it would be a better experience if there was no "menu jump" because I am not a silly person who turns there phone on and off. I hope this post will finish this altercation.
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Counsellor
Posts: 48

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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I apologise on the name joke - it was a cheap shot. Leon - the angry dino joke was good. It made me laugh.

I am perfectly calm and not silly. Some people turn their phones off more than others. Doesn't make them Beelzebub.

Now, are you still not going to answer the question?

The waiting is not relevant, you once again evade the point. My point is that during those 4 seconds, it would be better if the user could not produce inputs into the OS - to then have them reset. SIMPLE.

Do you agree?

Therefore, if you do agree - the problem should be addressed by Nokia, no?

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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?



03-Apr-2008 09:46 AM
leonwu2705 wrote:
but really just an angry dinosaur.


Quality! :smileyvery-happy:
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Sage
leonwu2705
Posts: 391

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

No problem, just remember that the Nokia NSeries are great smartphones and you could expect a little fault for such great phones. We all have different opinions and arguments like these should stop. You might think one thing while others might think another, which is totally acceptable.
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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The point is that you are looking at it the wrong way.

It's not a bug, it's just the phone loading it's background apps the more stuff it has to load the more it flickers. It is not a bug. Windows does it, linux does it, even a mac does it. More basic non-smartphone phones don't do it because the operating system isn't as advanced, this includes the iphone.

It has never spoiled my enjoyment of the phone, and no one else has ever mentioned it as being a problem before.

This is the way that this OS works. If you don't like it buy something else because you cannot change the way it works.

I have nothing more to say on this rant thread. I don't tolerate name calling.

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Ex-Moderator (Retired)
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Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

The ad hominem argument is one of the least effective ways of proving a point - for all participants in a discussion. Please, guys, keep it civil. I'm not in favour of censoring people, but I will weed out of the bad posts if the discussion reaches critical mass.
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Counsellor
Posts: 48

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

pychomania - "This is the way that this OS works. If you don't like it buy something else because you cannot change the way it works."

"buy something else" is hardly a good point is it? How does that make the N series better? If anyone points out that all isn't rosy you response is to tell them to buy something else?

The way it works can be changed, and it would be better for that change. The end.
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Mobile Emperor
psychomania
Posts: 26,986

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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I only say that to rude people who get personal, downrate all posts in a thread and rant on about an insignificant thing that they don't like.

You are in a minority. Search the board, you won't find many folk who have made a big deal out of it.

My advice stands, if you can't be patient enough to wait 4 seconds to use your phone then maybe a nokia smartphone isn't for you?

Are you a nomophobic by any chance?

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Counsellor
Posts: 48

Re: Any way to stop the after boot 'menu jump'?

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I'm obviously not nomophobic as I have already told you I turn my phone off more than a few times a day, hence my frustration with menu's doing what they do each time. What is your point?

Just because I am in the minority, doesn't automatically make me wrong. Unless you are a fan of dictatorships?

Now, and are you ever going to answer the original question? Or continue to subvert the discussion?

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