[brang1]

It seems such a shame, that the once great frontrunner's in the telecommunications industry Nokia have now slid so far down the ladder its just improbable they can ever regain their strength. Nokia was once the go to company for all things for your mobile. Car accessories, etc etc. Now, its all APPLE, car manufacturer's actually build the Iphone/Ipod components into their vehicles, from Hyundai to BMW, its all Apple??? You go into a electrical store, clock radios, stereos everything, built around Apple. It is a crying shame, even the Android phones have now grown to a point where they are kicking sand into this once great company's face. If I was on the board of NOKIA, I would be asking some pretty serious questions off my marketing departments. Did they have their heads in the sand? Or did they thinks they could just sit back and rest on their laurels? How could NOKIA not see this coming and take steps to combat these threats? The Iphone is now part of our everyday vernacular, no one mentions anything else, and Android is not far behind.

COME ON NOKIA, TIME TO TAKE A BIG SPOONFUL OF CEMENT MIX, "AND HARDEN UP" START FIGHTING BACK!!! 

[aspergerguy]

@brang1

Whilst I can echo some of your sentiments it is hard to see all perspectives of a truly global company, for example it is refreshing to see visibility of Nokia sponsorship in India. Who is to say that marketing vast numbers of low cost low profit units in emerging economy will not sustain company more in long run, than striving to sell smaller numbers of higher profit ones to a stagnant US and European economy in recession? 

From a company perspective you never know what's around the corner, look at Sony's woes after result of double whammy of tsunami in Japan and flooding in Thailand exacerbated by inadequate infrastructure investment there causing critical shortages of components for the motor industry worldwide.

[brang1]

This is true, up to a point. Fledgling companies sometimes take the Asian business ideal of flood the market with below cost product, get the market share, then drive out competition then PUT UP PRICES. Nokia is not a new company, and you cannot sustain a big company with cut price product always. It will eventually bite you on the bum... Repair costs, bad publicity etc etc. No Nokia are beyond that, they WERE A POWERHOUSE, sadly it seems, the others have spotted the correct voids in the market, and acted accordingly

[brang1]

I tend to think that nokia have a far superior product to iphone, but man does their marketing department need a rocket aimed fair and square at their posterior!!!

[haZey]

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[rayhipkiss]

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haZey wrote:

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[JudaZ]

I'm guessing you are not currently in London  .. and in Germany ... there you would notice Nokia is fighting back in a big way ... and besides .. Nokia is still the biggest mobile phone manufacturer by a huge marging..even if they have lost the position in the smartphone market for a bref moment ..

Nokia is back ... (even if they really never left)    and i belive 2012 is going to be the year when the king returns to is rightful place as the no 1 in all segments. 

[Tahvo]

I dont belive that Nokia rises whit the Wp7 Os. Maybe theyl delopve the MeeGo more or get the Windows 8 mobile os first and also get exlusive things in it. But Nokia cant fight angaist whit only Windows os theyl keep the Symbia since Windows doesnt suport good cameras yet

[thetao]

I don't have the historical perspective of some of you, and Nokia is mostly invisible in the USA.  I do read news articles, though, and think it was partly Nokia becoming too big for its own good, and partly from new competition in emerging markets.  Big companies tend to react more slowly than small ones.  Symbian may also be a difficult OS to program, but when threaded text messaging became the big thing, why did it take so long to release Conversations?  Apparently until recently, Nokia was set up as multiple business units that competed against each other.  I interpret that as "lots of wasted effort".  Too many phone models, dozens of worldwide variations, most with buggy firmware, and increasingly negative word-of-mouth.  Meanwhile Apple makes one new phone model a year in far fewer variations, and can invest the money in development and testing to release a cutting-edge product and get it right.  Meanwhile Series 40 phones (always the major source of Nokia's income) were losing sales to homegrown manufacturers in new, big markets like China and India, and again Nokia is slow to react to local demands (dual sim capabilities?).  Nokia's infrastructure was built with S40 sales, and as those fell, the company started to crumble.  Belle is at least a year late, still needs work, and Nokia is now (firmly?) a follower instead of a leader.

I don't blame Nokia for releasing Windows OS phones.  Palm did the same thing when their sales began to fall, and their next-generation OS was delayed.  But IMHO only a former Microsoft executive could think that turning Nokia into a "Dell for mobile phones" is an enviable market position.  I believe all recent Windows Phone releases have sold like lead balloons, and to stake the company on this venture, with no new homegrown OS in the pipeline, is foolish and threatens to banish Nokia to obscurity.  I come from the "people use Linux (or insert another OS here) as their way of telling Microsoft to go to hell" camp, and certainly won't be buying one myself.

[mirein22]

Nokia and Microsoft CAN be strong together,

Everyone* has a PC running windows,

Many poeple have an xbox.

if Mokia can get it's act together and give me a way to stream content at high speed between my Phone and my PC then Microsoft will win.

and no this is not APP stuff, this is stuff that belongs in an update.

I'm out,I get myself some MP3 files from a mate on bluetooth - I want to be able to get into a wifi hotspot and upload that data to my PC.

If my PC is off i want it to sit on Microsoft servers until i switch my pc on.

I want to make video calls.

If my PC is on at home (or in standby) I want to be able to record on my phone, and have it streamed and saved onto my PC

[chris166]

Since the release of the 3210 i've impressed everyone with my nokia phone.....

You got a sony....ha

You gat a samsung....ha

You got a motorola...ha

I'VE GOT A NOKIA

Since then i've had nothing but......

Up untill the start of the so called smart phone...

I belive all nokias were smart phones, as they always brought something new.

I always had Nokia up untill 2009.

ioS was getting stronger...Andriod was on the scene.

Nokia was falling behind....

I had the 5210(i think thats what it was)....brilliant phone....i had the 5800 another brilliant phone....but it was not a smart phone anymore.

Since then i hoped Nokia would keep up with the game or at least go with Android....but no.

I went else where...

I have the Nokia N8 but it is to slippery and the paint comes off to easy and the firmware is rubbish...evern with the Anna/Bella update.....The satnav is brilliant thow.

I was holding out high hopes for the Lumia.......

But alas it seems not to be.

I hope Nokia do reform and sort out their problems and get back on top of the game, as they have been apart of my life for so long and i am just longing for that nokia handset that set's the standard again....

[chris166]

Please NOKIA Do not become another DINKY or MATCHBOX Company.

[ajairababu]

nokia plz dont kill symbian

[Arbaerinn]

I do not agree at all !   For people who need to relay heavily on mobile communication and now with all the upcoming GPS options with NOKIA  I think NOKIA is comming back.  Guys look at Spain, Germany, France.

But yes NOKIA in some way became to big, they where to slow !

And Elop and his elite, I think they are stalling the Symbian updates for a reason.  They are getting windows devices on the market, and thats whats it all about, that is sad ! .

NOKIA dont delay these symbian updates any longer ! ! !

[GraphitIndia]

Yes this is right most of the apps are not for Nokia as of now. But, it does not mean Nokia fallan back. I still think Nokia handsets are the best with easiest & to-the-point operations.

NOKIA

Best & Easy Operations

Long Life Handsets

Best Management software (OVI)

Others

Lacking in almost all above and most of them just have Good Look Nothing else.

*** I'll prefer a normal wife with brains rather then a Super Sexy GirlFriend without ***

Yes I do agree Anna spoiled Nokia and Nokia must act fast to come back.

I am sure Nokia will do the needful ASAP.

*** Request Please Please come back with CDMA Handsets ***

[movilogo]

Nokia was best making dumb phones.

They failed when they tried to create touch screen based smart phones.

Unlike Apple, they tried to evolve a key based operating system into touch based. They failed miserably. Their turn around product was N97. It was expensive and rubbish. This irked their large loyal fanbase.

Nokia is still doing good in developing market where people still predominantly buy smartphones.

[jraduga]

Nokia has been a power house in the past. Nowadays if you live outside of europe you rerely see any advertising for them. Nothing on Australian television thats for sure, or for many other countries. You might see an ad online here or there. And to further prove this so many of the apps we see in the ovi-store are from india and europe.

You ring customer care in Australia your call is answered in another country, not a local office number to be found anywhere, even though we have a nokia office and stores here.

Even the telcos dont carry much in the way of nokia anymore. It will be a sad day if nokia ceases to exist. After all who is going to do all the innovating, the new features and ideas. Nokia had dual sim phones years ago before the others, they have OTA updates and NFC and so many others things that others are only just putting into their phones now.

There honestly is nothing new in any other phone whether that be an Iphone, Samsung, HTC or whoever. They all just display things in a different way, or dont even have the option.

Apple only introduced the OTA updates last year in IOS 5 update, and yet nokia has had it for so many years I cant remember. Apple dont even have NFC builtin to any of their phones ( i know you can get an add-on). many other phones dont have it either.

Nokia need a huge worldwide promotion, get out there in to the shops, posters everywhere, TV ads, give a ways. All I hear these days at work is how Nokia is falling. We need to start to push the positives hard and now.

you have to be proactive, you cannot afford to sit around thinking you are a huge company, we are safe in our jobs. YOUR NOT SAFE any longer, I dont know too many companies that can afford to lose a billion dollars in 1 year.

Theres an old saying you have to spend money to make money.

People keep saying to me how their samsung or iphone is better than my nokia, I just give them at least 6 things their phones cant do. they soon go quiet.

Dont leave the shooting from the roof tops to the customers, we will get tired. We can only shoot the benefits for so long

[93tid]

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jraduga wrote:

After all who is going to do all the innovating, the new features and ideas.

I dont know too many companies that can afford to lose a billion dollars in 1 year.

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All the people which Nokia sacked or sold off to other companies as entire units along with the knowhow and patents.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-09/nokia-to-sell-app-tool-business-as-it-focuses-on-windows

If you mean Nokia, they have been losing over a billion dollars per quarter (not per year) for the last 4 quarters.

[astra2025]

Please refer to haZey's post in this thread and refrain from discussing subjects that do not bring any technical contribution to this forum. 

Thanks for your understanding. 

[jimmyireland]

Its clear here and on other threads be they visible or not some folk have fallen away from nokia too.