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Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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It never gets anything, still waiting for NFC payment, Wifi is still borked with no 5ghrz support even tho it was advertised, still waiting for browser updates to make it useful, gets nothing they're putting into their Lumia series.

 

Why release a phone to just ditch it?

 

Edit: Oh yeah and the camera is still **bleep** for night time shots, the right hand side of the picture always has this lighter area ruining it.

 

Not my pictures but mine does the same thing...

 

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/808-car.jpg

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/808-pumpkin.jpg

 

920: 

 

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/920-pumpkin.jpg

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/920-car.jpg

 

So far every picture I've seen online his this blob of light, yet the 920 is fine. So it isn't just my phone :\

 

 

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Mobile Guru
Posts: 1,723

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Symbian was ditched long before the 808 was released. Be glad that there are still updates coming out for the 808 at all.

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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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I bought the phone thinking it would be supported, then the very next month Nokia killed off Symbian.... like well done Nokia, now nothing will come out for it. They could have just said nothing so people would still want to develop for it, now no one will bother porting over apps anymore.

 

They could have at least done a Windows Phone 7.8 update for it.

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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Is there any way to force desktop on the stock browser? Such a simple setting to have but i cannot find it.

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Mobile Sensei
adrianhughes
Posts: 7,173

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

hi mate,

there were a couple of updates released just this past couple of weeks for FP2 devices / 808. They were the Gallery update and a Telephony update. you can check via Nokia Suite on your PC and via SW Update on your phone, to ensure that you are up to date with all the updates released.

as for the WiFi issue, have you checked and tried the WLAN Software Update over at Nokia Beta Labs?: http://betalabs.nokia.com This has been reported by a lot of users to fix the issues they have been having connecting to their routers etc.

And as for NFC Payment, that has been a long-standing issue everywhere. many network carriers were in the process of testing apps with this functionality, as it had to go thru them before it was possible for the end user to use it. complicated and totally unnecessary. thankfully, Samsung for example has announced initiatives with Visa to use their PayWave technology in their phones, thus bypassing the need for the network carrier to be involved. Same with MasterCard, which has announced MasterPass just this past month, so that NFC via PayPass will be handled directly at the vendor terminal, without approval hoo-ha from network carriers and vendors being required. The situation will improve :smileyhappy:
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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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Is there ever gonna be a fix for the camera issues at night? I linked the pics of the 808 and 920 showing the issue to the right of pics. Those are samples from a review site and to show it in an extreme situation, if I take a picture in the dark with auto focus off so no external light comes on, I get this...

 

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z189/slannmage/2013-03-15-0516.jpg

 

No external light source or anything, that's what the camera does by default. You don't notice it during the day, only where the light levels are low. However every site I go to with low light samples and you see the same thing, yet no other phone suffers from it like the 920 that I gave examples for.

 

 

Even on this video you see the tedency for the right side to have this weird light to it..

 

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Low-light-600x337.png

 

It has to be a software issue as it isn't persistent, when recording video for example it'll go mad when zooming in and out. When I change settings, it's always there but it can be better or worse.

 

 

I just don't like all the processing going on behind the scenes either, it makes the camera so very slow. 

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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

What I don't get as well is and I got the gallery update and the telephony one but they seem to do nothing.

 

- Why does the Wifi always turn off?

- Why doesn't it pick up 5ghz when it was advertised?

- Why does it always say 3.5g even with data turned off?

- Why does the signal indicator never reflect what signal I have? 

- Why does the phone always have hang ups like it's about to crash?

- Why does the phone always crash?

- How come when I open applications sometimes, they sit there and do nothing until I restart the phone, especially the gallery.

- Why is the stock browser so slow and has no settings like browser mode?

- Why does Flash never work with any site, it's pointless, might as well not have bothered with it.

- Why is there no panorama? The one thing you'd want on a camera like this.

- Why are there two different stores with different content? Wouldn't it make sense to just have one?

- Why is there no support like ITV player or anything? It's like dead.

- Why have Nokia ditched it instead of doing the right thing, doing a massive update and moving it over to Android or Windows Phone?

 

Why why why why why?

 

It's possibly the worst phone I've ever used but I still want to love it for some odd reason. 

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miffywiffy
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Yeh it must be a software issue, I downloaded this Camera app from the store and it's gone in the same room with no light. Pictures are faster too...

 

 

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Mobile Sensei
adrianhughes
Posts: 7,173

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

didn't answer my question mate. did u even TRY the WLAN update over on Nokia BetaLabs as this may fix your WiFi issues ok?

it always says 3.5G because this is the level of reception your phone is attaining at the current time. same as if the speeds went down to 3G or even 2G. it DOES NOT mean that data is transferring at the current time, those jagged lines that appear under the 3.5G indicate that data is being transferred. and i'm sure that the signal indicator indicates the level of signal strength in your current position.

There is a Nokia Panorama app in the Nokia Store. ITV player support is up to ITV noone else. Nokia did make the transition over to Windows Phone after all, and they did continue to support the device, that is why the Gallery and Telephony updates came, did they not?

if you are still having problems, then try re-installing your current firmware thru Nokia Suite. if you are still having problems, then you will need to take your phone to Nokia Care for inspection: http://nokia.com/support


There is nothing more we can do for you here, as it appears that you are not happy with your purchase, and there is nothing that we can do about that either. But carrying on here is not going to achieve anything, and its best that if you do feel that way, to move on.
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Sage
Posts: 126

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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miffywiffy wrote:

It never gets anything, still waiting for NFC payment, Wifi is still borked with no 5ghrz support even tho it was advertised, still waiting for browser updates to make it useful, gets nothing they're putting into their Lumia series.

 

Why release a phone to just ditch it?

 

Edit: Oh yeah and the camera is still **bleep** for night time shots, the right hand side of the picture always has this lighter area ruining it.

 

Not my pictures but mine does the same thing...

 

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/808-car.jpg

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/808-pumpkin.jpg

 

920: 

 

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/920-pumpkin.jpg

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/808-920/920-car.jpg

 

So far every picture I've seen online his this blob of light, yet the 920 is fine. So it isn't just my phone :\

 

 


Are you crazy? The 808's pictures are better. Sharper no overzealus coloursmearing, no weird edge-sharpening.

 

In fact the only positive about the 920 is its low-light "enlightenment" . But this unfortunately gives rather unatural looking photo's. 

 

The pictures that you linked to were shot in pitch black outside and Steve clearly pointed out that the scenes depicted were deliberately choosen to asure the 920 would be better. They were to demonstrate the difference of the low-light enhancing technology o/t 920. There's no reason to show them here to demonstrate a malfunctioning camera-module. In fact I can show you pictures that show the superiority o/t 808 (even from that same site). 

 

e.g.

Lumia 920  http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/bigshoot/920church.jpg

808PV   http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/bigshoot/808church.jpg

 

Lumia 920 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/bigshoot/920tesco.jpg

808PV http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/images/bigshoot/808tesco.jpg

 

On these 2 examples you clearly see that the 808PV is better then the 920 (and the last scene should have been the 920's territory and yet it fails miserable)

 

Also the worse experience with software upgrades also happens on Lumia users. Some have the feeling that their camera's perform worse after their latest upgrade. It seems Nokia still FU this process just as any other manufacturer does. 

 

Or do you really think that Xperia users (or Galaxy users or HTC users) have different experiences? the Apple fora are filled with people unhappy about the things that got broken after their last update.

 

I am glad that Nokia still delivers (minor) updates. I too would like to see Nokia give power users more options instead of removing them. Just like the awfull light grey theme. They should have included BOTH dark and light themes to give us CHOICE! The only thing we can do is ASK Nokia to release the dark theme as a seperate product/download. Or make a suitable theme ourselves. ;-)

 

the same with all the other options. In fact IMHO Wifi is NOT BORKED, I've never seen them advertize 5Ghz band and as for the browser, it IS very usefull. It's the only one with (limited) Flash support build in (Android has removed Flash support in later builds so who are you to complain) and is quite fast (just disable javascript to make it as fast as the Iphone 4S). That website creators can't build proper websites anymore without stupid javascript is not Nokia's fault, complain to the site-maintainers. 

 

And as for Nokia's Lumia range of devices... they still can't do halve of what a N8 can do, even WITH a "borked" Belle Refresh...

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Mobile Overlord
jimmyireland
Posts: 15,390

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Symbian is dead move on to something modern.

If  i have helped at all a click on the white star below would be nice thanks.



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paulheu
Posts: 1,726

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Always the politician.. NOT.. :smileyvery-happy:

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Sage
peterh338
Posts: 323

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Symbian is dead move on to something modern.

 

15047 posts telling people that, or telling people to do a factory reset on their phone as the magic fix for everything :smileyhappy:

 

Symbian works pretty damn well.

 

IOS devices have a very good (best in the market) finger gesture implementation, and for the rest you can tear your hair out.

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jimmyireland
Posts: 15,390

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

What planet are you on? Please elaborate on your totally incoherent post.

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paulheu
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Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?


Manu_T wrote:

Are you crazy? The 808's pictures are better. Sharper no overzealus coloursmearing, no weird edge-sharpening.

 

In fact the only positive about the 920 is its low-light "enlightenment" . But this unfortunately gives rather unatural looking photo's. 

 


 

It's real easy to parrot other people. I would be willing to bet you will not be able to tell which phone a random picture was taken with when confronted with one.

 

 

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Counsellor
smeggypants
Posts: 32

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

I wish they'd do something to fix the annopying magenta gradient tint that appears on the upper right of the image after the camera has been on fo a while and/or at higher ISOs

 

I can sort of fix it in lightroom with a grad filter, but it's highly annoying

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bernardod
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

you cant just "move to something modern" after spending about 500 bucks on a phone, you expect to get the most of it, ofcourse with the support of the developer.

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Mobile Guru
Posts: 1,723

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

Not when the developer has clearly stated more than a year prior to the release of said phone that the platform it is running on is dead. Spending 500 bucks on a phone not knowing that reminds me of the attached commentary on IP5 buyers.

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bernardod
Posts: 17

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

you are being so helpful today , now I know the purpose of my life

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Sage
Posts: 126

Re: Why have Nokia dropped support for the 808?

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paulheu wrote:

Manu_T wrote:

Are you crazy? The 808's pictures are better. Sharper no overzealus coloursmearing, no weird edge-sharpening.

 

In fact the only positive about the 920 is its low-light "enlightenment" . But this unfortunately gives rather unatural looking photo's. 

 


 

It's real easy to parrot other people. I would be willing to bet you will not be able to tell which phone a random picture was taken with when confronted with one.

 

 


You think I'm talking out of my **bleep**, do you?

 

For your information I DID buy more than just a (few) Nokia 701's and 808 Pureview. Including Nokia Lumia 800, C7-00 and X7 etc... Also a few Android models including Xperia U, Xperia miro, Samsung mini II and Galaxy IIIs. And compared photo's next to my olde Nikon D40 and only the 808 comes close. 

 

But show me. Show me that a Lumia 920 can take better pictures than e.g. a HTC One. Or that an Xperia Z can take better pictures than a Nokia 808 PureView. 

But don;t fool me by downscaling and photoshopping photo's. I KNOW those tricks too. I KNOW that you can make a bad picture slightly better by downscaling it at 1/2 horizontal and 1/2 vertical and performing a slight unsharp mask (sharpening) in photoshop. Try it. You'd be surprised how good some bad photos may become.

 

But the harsh edge sharpening from the 920 (and many BSI equiped camera modules) is undeniable. I haven't seen how Samsung with the Galaxy S4 might have improved their software on that same XMor-R sensor that the Xperia Z uses, which they use as well. But the Z itself is horrible with regards to picture taking.

 

But as a handheld fullHD movie player or handheld FullHD games console it's probably miles ahead from anything Symbian. But for some people taking good pictures is more important than playing games... especially on a telephone!

 

 

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