[Mike_Myers_N8]

Please do not blame the Symbian software designers at Nokia.  For many years they strove to make Nokia into what might well be the best phone there was.

I don't know any of the following for a fact, but what I find on the internet seems to add up...

1 - Nokia brought in new people, who decided to kill off Symbian and focus on Windows.

2 - I've read in many places where the Symbiian programmers lost their jobs.

2a - I've also read that many of the were transferred to Accenture, at least for a while

3 - speculation - with all those people gone, Nokia may be completely unable to support Symbian, and maybe that's why some programs are now broken, because the people left didn't fully understand the software.   ....again, only speculation

4 - in numerous websites, Nokia is reported to be struggling for their very existence. 

4a - speculation - if that's true, now that they've boxed themselves in, the only choice left is to put all their efforts into Windows.   -and more speculation, if Windows doesn't take off, there are very few options left.

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If one of you were in charge of Nokia, what would you do?  Re-hire all the Symbian people, ignore Symbian and only work on Windows, or try to do both?

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Since this is a user's forum, maybe the purpose of this thread is finished.  We've pretty much identified what needs to be done.  Maybe we should all try to work together, and find the best possible solution for all that stuff you guys have posted about, that made up the long list.

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My own wish list is now very simple - get a group of engineers together at Nokia to start with the basic shape and design of the N8, update the electronics, and work out an arrangement with Google to port Android ICS to the device.  No add-ons, no extra anything, no huge support team, no development, no carriers to deal with - just box-stock Android, just like you get on the Nexus device tha tGoogle is now selling.  That's for the future.  For the present, give users a way to update their phones back to Anna, and simply say this is the end of the line.  Pick one or the other, but that's the end of Symbian.

[q_singularity]

am sorry- but you got me wrong.

i am a great fan of symbian. i have almost *all* of their E-series devices as well as archaic 6630 and N70 and the venerable SE P1i.

i re-read my post to check if i've said anything wrong- i have said "i wanted to meet those behind the latest symbian", which is indeed true. it is the latest symbian that is bleeped-up.

i also agree with all what you say. i cannot but only desperately hope and wait for the next update to 111.030.0609, which i keep repeating often, only to indicate my desperation.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

I agree; I'd love to meet them as well, even if it was only to get the real answer of what is going on.

I look over this entire forum, and while I do see people helping each other with "fixable" problems, there is also a huge number of people who feel Nokia has damaged their phones, and who want things either fixed, or returned to their previous state. Considering how long this has been going on, it's very sad.



Regarding that long list of problems, does anyone here know if installing SPB Mobile Shell (the standard version, or the new 3D version) will help make the phone more useable? Maybe that's another option for those of us still waiting for some kind of "fix"?

[concepthouse]

Now NOKIA is bull **bleep** !

Its better to stop buying nokia.

Where is message saving on SD card option in belle ?

[concepthouse]

where the hell is message saving option on sd card on BELLE ?

NOKIA must start selling carrots & onions, bcoz designing software is NOW NOT their capabilities !

[dushyanth289]

9 BRIGHTNESS SETTINGS WIDGET LIKE ANDROID ON HOME SCTREEN
9 THERE IS NO SEARCH OPTION IN MUSIC PLAYER
9 MARKING AND SENDING SONGS IS VERY DIFFUCULT IN MUSIC PLAYER

[dushyanth289]

9 FOLDERS REQUIRED FOR GALLERY LIKE ANDROID
9 BRIGHTNESS SETTINGS WIDGET LIKE ANDROID ON HOME SCTREEN
9 THERE IS NO SEARCH OPTION IN MUSIC PLAYER
9 MARKING AND SENDING SONGS IS VERY DIFFUCULT IN MUSIC PLAYER

[coolani]

anyone or everyone, please bring this thread to Nokia Software Developers or the concerned people in Nokia.

I have heard that the N8 and all first generation nokia devices will be getting tailored Nokia Belle FP1.

If thats true, we all will atleast get some of the important issues discussed here solved.

We all must push Nokia now before the update is released.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Look up "Force Control Widget N8" in Google and you'll find a solution to the brightness setting issue, along with some other helpful settings. The latest version was changed to make it work better with the N8.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

SUMMARY of BELLE PROBLEMS
June 6, 2012, 9:00pm US time


Wifi EAP-PEAP-MSCHAPv2 Authentication bug needs to be fixed
bug with speakerphone and C7 & N8 - no tone indicating "speak now" in hands free
phone doesn't show whether headphones are connected, even though they are
During call if another call connects 2nd call goes to speaker and cannot be switched
for many headphones sound not diverted to 3.5mm jack & music plays through device speaker
"Remote Drives" to be returned to the file manager via Options > map remote drive.
reset using *#7370# code and rebooted, phone now asking for New Security Code
return the ability to create sub folders within folders
Backup and Restore not reliable - doesn't fully bring back everything.
camera quality deteriorated especially in low light.
improve the zoom in for photos like anna
many (and larger) videos no longer play, & file extensions not supported
Captured videos, downloaded videos do not appear in VIDEOS
Gallery- pictures disappear from folders following power cycle
allow multiple eMail accounts to show on homescreen.
store emails in the mass memory
eMail menu text size unaffected by settings
Reinstate podcast module for music app
Need to show many upcoming calendar events, not just one.
missed a calendar event, now not able to get rid of notification.
speaker volume not loud enough
return the missing 'profiles' as were available pre-Belle
fix the home screen clock so that date an time can be easily read (as before)
if you lock the phone with the hardware button, it should not be turned on by bumping the screen
in power save mode, the phone should not roam
bug - captured videos appear in GALLERY, not VIDEOS

I removed the "bug" regarding short battery life.

There are several items in the above list that are "broken" from the way the were before Anna was removed, but they probably shouldn't be referred to as "problems".

I see the forum is all prettyed up with new colors, fonts, arrangements, and so on.  For those people still owning N8 phones, it would be nice if somebody from Nokia were to respond to this list....

[ausrius517]

1. When baterry is almots empty and if I'm using internet, phone shuts down directly. I mean it happens without any warnings that baterry is empty, it just shuts down. And It fells like, if my phone had a removable baterry, that baterry is removed and phone shuts down directlly. If i'm just listening to music or something like that I'm getting notifications that batery is empty as usual and phone stays on.

[Roveel]

I am now the proud owner of a Nokia 808 Pureview. Haven't played too much yet with Belle FP1 but can say this:

* The Music Player widget, both large and small now jump to the Now Playing screen.

* The large calendar widget is installed. Yay.

* Vlingo came installed which is a speech recognition, a bit like Siri just not as integrated. You can use it to create messages, emails, open apps or it can read messages out to you. Haven't tested it yet.

Things I have found (again, so far)

* Some apps are no longer supported, such as Nokia Car Mode, unless you pay £17 to get the version with Magic Link or something. I have seen the video leaked of FP2 and it appears Car Mode is in the list of apps so here's hoping.

* Email widgets still need to be smaller, or at least give us the option of different sizes.

[Duzzy]

I failed to read all the post but there is only two things left that I want for the N8. Everything else I have found a work around or alternative but then again I havn't really used my phone much since I upgraded as I have been trying a number of things to get where I am.

The two things left are:

1. Anna style Clock, Calendar & Profile widget

2. Larger Digital Clock and Date on the lock screen. Not the screensaver, when the phone is locked and you press the menu key.

[coolani]

Just one suggestion: please release codes of Belle. Let people rewrite the codes, make changes and return it to you. Let Nokia handle only finalization, implementation and distribution.

Most of the OS related problems will be solved. I see so many modders out there. They have nice concepts, suggestions and potential to bring Symbian OS to top again. All, I guess, are volunteering for Symbian betterment.

Even in this forum, so many users have suggested great ideas and changes. Nokia is getting a ready made list things for making a good OS out of it all.

If Nokia can't make the changes, just make Symbian open source and third party coders do the rest.

Hope all agree to that.

[Mike_Myers_N8 · Accepted solution]

Hey, in a logical world, seeing things through the eyes of customers, that all makes perfect sense.

Seen through the eyes of a company that is seemingly trying as hard as possible to make the old products and the ole operating system vanish, it's counter-productive. If you've already fired most of the people who understand Symbian, told the world it's dead, and invested the whole future of the company on something new, the last thing you need or even want is distractions from what you're trying to get rid of.

This thread was started in February. It's now August. As far as I know, the Belle "update" permanently crippled it, and with the return path impossible, it's all over.

(I'm not too upset any longer - for half the price of the N8 I bought a Google Nexus phone that does much of what the N8 did, and a whole lot more.

I miss the wonderful camera in the N8, USB on-the-go, and Nokia Maps with downloadable navigation in any language.

I still have my two N8 phones, and plan to sell them in India when I return next month. Belle might have been a disaster for me, but for people who don't want all the complexity of the N8, it still makes for a nice phone.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

(I flagged this as "completed". It's pointless to keep asking for something that will never happen. Sorry if I wasted people's time with the long list of bugs.... back then, I expected them to be fixed.)

[twozero3]

This whole situation just demontrates the total contempt Nokia has for it's customers and end users. That corporate attitude also contributes towards a whole set of sorry circumstances that sees Nokia rapidly ailing in the smartphone market.

I'm no Apple fan boy but could anyone even think Apple (or Samsung for that matter)  would release an under tested mess like Belle for their devices and then leave a catalogue of bugs and critical usability issues totally unresolved for over half a year, which is a hell of a long time considering the life cycle of smartphones and respond with near silence.

What has happened to you Nokia? If the corporate strategy is to destroy Nokia's credibility and reputation and send customers to other brands then it has been an overwhelming success.

[hpholm]

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Mike_Myers_N8 wrote:

This thread was started in February. It's now August. As far as I know, the Belle "update" permanently crippled it, and with the return path impossible, it's all over.

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Belle on the N8 has two major deal-breakers for me:

1: Running out of C: drive space in time, only to be recovered resetting and reinstalling everything.

2: Unpredictable standby power drain and/or unpredictable remaining power indicator.

I tried Belle 3 times during February-June 2012, but were unable to solve or work around these problems.

The latest attempt including Microsoft Office Mobile only made things worse.

I may give Belle another try later, when I don't need the phone for anything important.

The same phone with Anna works boringly stable and reliable, using its built-in Maps 3.06 and also declining the updates for Store and Social (I don't use social).

Sometime soon Nokia Suite must be uninstalled from my computer, it behaves very intrusive when the Belle update is available for the phone, with a huge automated pull-down curtain at more or less random intervals and no option to turn the intrusion off. Uninstalling the Suite should also recover some gigabytes of hard drive space.

The N8 is my first Nokia phone. It has been an uphill 18-months long battle with both the phone software and the OVI/Nokia Suite. - User data is sacred. Never delete, alter or make user data unavailable. The SMS conversations with an ex-girlfriend put in a special folder may appear trivial to a programmer, but nevertheless it is sacred and must be preserved! - The Suite and/or the N8 has messed up both calendar, contacts, SMS, music and pictures during the 18 months, and countless hours is used trying to figure out what went wrong, with the valuable help from this forum.

Nokia can still prove us both wrong by releasing a Belle update for the N8

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Hans

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Hans, first off, I totally agree with what you just added.

I suspect what all of us see as "arrogance", messing up what used to be so good, is really due to "ignorance".

From what I've read, Nokia constantly dumped the Symbian guys who designed and understood the N8 and other Symbian phones. I think it was Accenture that they moved to, at least temporarily, and as financial matters got worse, I kept reading about even more people losing their jobs at Nokia.

When Belle came out, bugs would be expected, and as in the past, Nokia, as with others, would correct them. I not only can accept that, I'd expect it from Nokia.


If I'm right though, the guys who actually released Belle (before it was ready) had and have no understanding of the OS, how it works, and how the phone works with it. I doubt if they know any more than most of us. It isn't that they don't want to fix the problems; it's more that they don't understand any of it.


There are two other things going on simultaneously. The first is obvious to anyone reading the financial reports in the news about Nokia - they are losing sales, and losing money. Someone (Elop?) thinks that Windows phone software will solve everything, and it must be frustrating to him that the customers aren't lining up to switch over. (Why anyone would go with yet another OS, after seeing how people treat the existing customers, is beyond me.) Anyway, with Nokia losing money so fast, it probably seems like a waste to them to put additional time and money into a dead OS - and they're doing their best to make sure Symbian is and stays dead.

At the same time, with all of Elop's grand plans about Windows, and how it will save the company, Symbian must seem like an ugly distraction, and internally, I suspect he's trying his hardest to get rid of it.

You wrote "Nokia can still prove us both wrong by releasing a Belle update for the N8". I've given up on that - the people who might know how to do it have been fired, the new people don't have a clue, and worst of all, if they DID fix the N8, those of us who enjoy the N8 so much would have less incentive to buy into the Windows thing.

(...and I suspect even those Nokia employees who are involved in these forums are more concerned right now about their own job security than about the topics we're discussing. I feel sorry for them. It's like being a passenger on the Titanic, with everyone but the captain knowing about the iceberg that the ship is aimed at....)

[q_singularity]

my most basic primordial submissions as human being, for humanity:

1. any change, must be only for the better.

2. if a change is for the worse, it should be reversible.

nokia has defied these two laws of human aspirations. they are going toward doom.

as a last request, i have the following suggestions:

1. do an automated poll on this forum about how many members "like" belle and how many "prefer to go back to pre-belle".

2. as a total exception, offer a ONE-TIME IRREVERSIBLE downgradable option to PR1.0 and PR1.1.

3. take a poll on how many downgraded.

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those who are happy are those like me, who have a PR1.0 (not even anna), E72 E52 and E90.

E7 PR1.0 is the LAST nokia.

nokia blokes know that belle is bleeped.

nokia blokes know that nokia is bleeped.

windows phone is bleep.

meego is a ghost.

this will be my last post.