Please do not blame the Symbian software designers at Nokia. For many years they strove to make Nokia into what might well be the best phone there was.
I don't know any of the following for a fact, but what I find on the internet seems to add up...
1 - Nokia brought in new people, who decided to kill off Symbian and focus on Windows.
2 - I've read in many places where the Symbiian programmers lost their jobs.
2a - I've also read that many of the were transferred to Accenture, at least for a while
3 - speculation - with all those people gone, Nokia may be completely unable to support Symbian, and maybe that's why some programs are now broken, because the people left didn't fully understand the software. ....again, only speculation
4 - in numerous websites, Nokia is reported to be struggling for their very existence.
4a - speculation - if that's true, now that they've boxed themselves in, the only choice left is to put all their efforts into Windows. -and more speculation, if Windows doesn't take off, there are very few options left.
If one of you were in charge of Nokia, what would you do? Re-hire all the Symbian people, ignore Symbian and only work on Windows, or try to do both?
Since this is a user's forum, maybe the purpose of this thread is finished. We've pretty much identified what needs to be done. Maybe we should all try to work together, and find the best possible solution for all that stuff you guys have posted about, that made up the long list.
My own wish list is now very simple - get a group of engineers together at Nokia to start with the basic shape and design of the N8, update the electronics, and work out an arrangement with Google to port Android ICS to the device. No add-ons, no extra anything, no huge support team, no development, no carriers to deal with - just box-stock Android, just like you get on the Nexus device tha tGoogle is now selling. That's for the future. For the present, give users a way to update their phones back to Anna, and simply say this is the end of the line. Pick one or the other, but that's the end of Symbian.
am sorry- but you got me wrong.
i am a great fan of symbian. i have almost *all* of their E-series devices as well as archaic 6630 and N70 and the venerable SE P1i.
i re-read my post to check if i've said anything wrong- i have said "i wanted to meet those behind the latest symbian", which is indeed true. it is the latest symbian that is bleeped-up.
i also agree with all what you say. i cannot but only desperately hope and wait for the next update to 111.030.0609, which i keep repeating often, only to indicate my desperation.
where the hell is message saving option on sd card on BELLE ?
NOKIA must start selling carrots & onions, bcoz designing software is NOW NOT their capabilities !
anyone or everyone, please bring this thread to Nokia Software Developers or the concerned people in Nokia.
I have heard that the N8 and all first generation nokia devices will be getting tailored Nokia Belle FP1.
If thats true, we all will atleast get some of the important issues discussed here solved.
We all must push Nokia now before the update is released.
SUMMARY of BELLE PROBLEMS
June 6, 2012, 9:00pm US time
Wifi EAP-PEAP-MSCHAPv2 Authentication bug needs to be fixed
bug with speakerphone and C7 & N8 - no tone indicating "speak now" in hands free
phone doesn't show whether headphones are connected, even though they are
During call if another call connects 2nd call goes to speaker and cannot be switched
for many headphones sound not diverted to 3.5mm jack & music plays through device speaker
"Remote Drives" to be returned to the file manager via Options > map remote drive.
reset using *#7370# code and rebooted, phone now asking for New Security Code
return the ability to create sub folders within folders
Backup and Restore not reliable - doesn't fully bring back everything.
camera quality deteriorated especially in low light.
improve the zoom in for photos like anna
many (and larger) videos no longer play, & file extensions not supported
Captured videos, downloaded videos do not appear in VIDEOS
Gallery- pictures disappear from folders following power cycle
allow multiple eMail accounts to show on homescreen.
store emails in the mass memory
eMail menu text size unaffected by settings
Reinstate podcast module for music app
Need to show many upcoming calendar events, not just one.
missed a calendar event, now not able to get rid of notification.
speaker volume not loud enough
return the missing 'profiles' as were available pre-Belle
fix the home screen clock so that date an time can be easily read (as before)
if you lock the phone with the hardware button, it should not be turned on by bumping the screen
in power save mode, the phone should not roam
bug - captured videos appear in GALLERY, not VIDEOS
I removed the "bug" regarding short battery life.
There are several items in the above list that are "broken" from the way the were before Anna was removed, but they probably shouldn't be referred to as "problems".
I see the forum is all prettyed up with new colors, fonts, arrangements, and so on. For those people still owning N8 phones, it would be nice if somebody from Nokia were to respond to this list....
1. When baterry is almots empty and if I'm using internet, phone shuts down directly. I mean it happens without any warnings that baterry is empty, it just shuts down. And It fells like, if my phone had a removable baterry, that baterry is removed and phone shuts down directlly. If i'm just listening to music or something like that I'm getting notifications that batery is empty as usual and phone stays on.
I am now the proud owner of a Nokia 808 Pureview. Haven't played too much yet with Belle FP1 but can say this:
* The Music Player widget, both large and small now jump to the Now Playing screen.
* The large calendar widget is installed. Yay.
* Vlingo came installed which is a speech recognition, a bit like Siri just not as integrated. You can use it to create messages, emails, open apps or it can read messages out to you. Haven't tested it yet.
Things I have found (again, so far)
* Some apps are no longer supported, such as Nokia Car Mode, unless you pay £17 to get the version with Magic Link or something. I have seen the video leaked of FP2 and it appears Car Mode is in the list of apps so here's hoping.
* Email widgets still need to be smaller, or at least give us the option of different sizes.
2012-07-28 4:46 - edited 2012-07-28 4:48
I failed to read all the post but there is only two things left that I want for the N8. Everything else I have found a work around or alternative but then again I havn't really used my phone much since I upgraded as I have been trying a number of things to get where I am.
The two things left are:
1. Anna style Clock, Calendar & Profile widget
2. Larger Digital Clock and Date on the lock screen. Not the screensaver, when the phone is locked and you press the menu key.
Just one suggestion: please release codes of Belle. Let people rewrite the codes, make changes and return it to you. Let Nokia handle only finalization, implementation and distribution.
Most of the OS related problems will be solved. I see so many modders out there. They have nice concepts, suggestions and potential to bring Symbian OS to top again. All, I guess, are volunteering for Symbian betterment.
Even in this forum, so many users have suggested great ideas and changes. Nokia is getting a ready made list things for making a good OS out of it all.
If Nokia can't make the changes, just make Symbian open source and third party coders do the rest.
Hope all agree to that.
This whole situation just demontrates the total contempt Nokia has for it's customers and end users. That corporate attitude also contributes towards a whole set of sorry circumstances that sees Nokia rapidly ailing in the smartphone market.
I'm no Apple fan boy but could anyone even think Apple (or Samsung for that matter) would release an under tested mess like Belle for their devices and then leave a catalogue of bugs and critical usability issues totally unresolved for over half a year, which is a hell of a long time considering the life cycle of smartphones and respond with near silence.
What has happened to you Nokia? If the corporate strategy is to destroy Nokia's credibility and reputation and send customers to other brands then it has been an overwhelming success.
This thread was started in February. It's now August. As far as I know, the Belle "update" permanently crippled it, and with the return path impossible, it's all over.
Belle on the N8 has two major deal-breakers for me:
1: Running out of C: drive space in time, only to be recovered resetting and reinstalling everything.
2: Unpredictable standby power drain and/or unpredictable remaining power indicator.
I tried Belle 3 times during February-June 2012, but were unable to solve or work around these problems.
The latest attempt including Microsoft Office Mobile only made things worse.
I may give Belle another try later, when I don't need the phone for anything important.
The same phone with Anna works boringly stable and reliable, using its built-in Maps 3.06 and also declining the updates for Store and Social (I don't use social).
Sometime soon Nokia Suite must be uninstalled from my computer, it behaves very intrusive when the Belle update is available for the phone, with a huge automated pull-down curtain at more or less random intervals and no option to turn the intrusion off. Uninstalling the Suite should also recover some gigabytes of hard drive space.
The N8 is my first Nokia phone. It has been an uphill 18-months long battle with both the phone software and the OVI/Nokia Suite. - User data is sacred. Never delete, alter or make user data unavailable. The SMS conversations with an ex-girlfriend put in a special folder may appear trivial to a programmer, but nevertheless it is sacred and must be preserved! - The Suite and/or the N8 has messed up both calendar, contacts, SMS, music and pictures during the 18 months, and countless hours is used trying to figure out what went wrong, with the valuable help from this forum.
Nokia can still prove us both wrong by releasing a Belle update for the N8
my most basic primordial submissions as human being, for humanity:
1. any change, must be only for the better.
2. if a change is for the worse, it should be reversible.
nokia has defied these two laws of human aspirations. they are going toward doom.
as a last request, i have the following suggestions:
1. do an automated poll on this forum about how many members "like" belle and how many "prefer to go back to pre-belle".
2. as a total exception, offer a ONE-TIME IRREVERSIBLE downgradable option to PR1.0 and PR1.1.
3. take a poll on how many downgraded.
those who are happy are those like me, who have a PR1.0 (not even anna), E72 E52 and E90.
E7 PR1.0 is the LAST nokia.
nokia blokes know that belle is bleeped.
nokia blokes know that nokia is bleeped.
windows phone is bleep.
meego is a ghost.
this will be my last post.