[Timster2012]

No, no it most certainly does not CLEAR THINGS UP at all - in fact it clears nothing up. We all already knew the remote drive option had been removed and we want to know WHY.

I upgraded from my N95 to the N8 because I believed it to be a natural successor to the N95, however :-

The N95 could browse my wi-fi network and stream media from local devices.

The N95 supported p2p file transfers.

The N95 had a built in podcast download capable music player with automatic downloads of updated podcasts.

NONE of these features have been re-implemented on the N8 DESPITE multiple firmware updates.

And now, the one feature the N95 DIDNT have but the N8 DID has been removed. What perplexes me most is that to my mind these are all SOFTWARE FEATURES, not HARDWARE LIMITATIONS.

Nokia, y u cripple your smartphones?

No wonder Nokia is no longer the mobile giant it used to be - I will be sorely tempted to move to an android with my next handset..

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Having spent way too much time trying to sort out the issues regarding Belle (latest list at the bottom of this page - /t5/Software-Updates/List-of-Belle-additions-corrections-needed/td-p/1328167/page/4 - I can only say I feel very strongly the way Timster2012 feels... whether it's on purpose, or by ignorance, Nokia is gradually crippling what should be the best phone available in the mobile market today.

I'll only disagree with one thing he posted - as to whether or not the earlier post clears anything up. I think it clears things up perfectly - Nokia is trying to get rid of all of us, along with phones such as the N8 that are more powerful than what most people buy.

I've got two N8 phones, the original one still running Anna, and for that matter, I've still got my N95 8GB. Geesh.... Belle, along with Nokia Suite, seem to be designed for kiddies, or people just getting their very first smart phone. PC Suite, and the N95, and the original N8 are wonderful devices, or at least were.

I don't understand how a company as capable as Nokia could be behaving this way accidentally. They must have people working there who are at least as enthused about the products as we are, if not more.

Nokia said that work would continue on the N8, which I doubted at the time, but hoped might come true. I never expected the "additions" would cripple the phone, instead of improve it.

I find this very frustrating, but at the same time, I still have my original N95, I still have my "almost" original N8 (now Anna), and I still have a good copy of PC Suite. I haven't yet tried Android, but from what I hear, the N8 was better. I'm just trying the iPhone now, and am getting to like it. I have zero desire for a Windows phone. I might be interested in a N9, but not until/unless Nokia gets its act together, and even then, it can't do what a N8 (pre-Belle) can do.

[andrey_vb]

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Mike_Myers_N8 wrote:
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I've got two N8 phones, the original one still running Anna, and for that matter, I've still got my N95 8GB. Geesh.... Belle, along with Nokia Suite, seem to be designed for kiddies, or people just getting their very first smart phone. PC Suite, and the N95, and the original N8 are wonderful devices, or at least were.

Nokia said that work would continue on the N8, which I doubted at the time, but hoped might come true. I never expected the "additions" would cripple the phone, instead of improve it.

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Of the new devices are less "intelligent" functions. And make more vivid, animated, funny but stupid functions.
So not only Nokia ...  I am saddened,but majority of people now buys a bright but stupid device

:-(

Vendors flow to mass buyer. :-( But what about those who want intelligent resolution of the device?

I have a Nokia e7. From of announced Nokia devices in 2012 there is nothing that would compare a little with my device.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Sadly, true. So, let's start calling these new devices what they really are - "stupid phones".

Eventually, the world, or at least our small part of it, is going to realize and accept this, and the price of new/used phones like the N8 is going to skyrocket. N8 phones with the original software, or even Anna, are going to climb dramatically. So, buy some more now, while they're available at relatively low prices.

I'll probably be posting a thread about this in the "electronics" forum at Starting Grid (www.sgrid.com). I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it here on the Nokia website. Please do feel free to jump in there, and say what you think. It's a free forum site.

Done.  Thanks for inspiring me to write it..

http://www.sgrid.com/forum/showthread.php?746-Stupid-Phones&p=7733#post7733

[jraduga]

I agree Not one of the newer phones since the E7 was released has as many functions as the E7. The idea of moving forward and being a technological advancment is the adding of new features. Not the removing of features. The dumbing down of of the phones these days is absolutely ridiculous.

Lets face it, not one of the current Lumia's can do what an E7 can do. Not one of the asha series phones can do what an E7 can do. So i guess this explains why Belle is the way it is. By removing features from a device that already has them, makes the phone juts as dumb as the new phones. This way when they finally add one feature back in, Nokia make it look like it never been done before.

What is the replacement for an E7, with the full keyboard like the rest of the communicator series or are we just dumping them altogether and forgetting about the real business community. And then just releasing more blackberry look-a-likes, with tiny screens that you need a magnifying glass to see and fingers no thicker than fine tipped pen. to be able to touch the icon/widgets on the screen.

Whilst i havent used  the remote drives before on anna, i do see that Nokia are slowly removing features consistently, and the only conclusion i can find is that Nokia have run out of ideas and by removing feature they can at a later stage re-add them say how wonderful all these new features are...In other words recycling of features.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

I won't copy anything from here to the article I just wrote (http://www.sgrid.com/forum/showthread.php?746-Stupid-Phones&p=7733#post7733) without permission, but I'd love to see some of this posted out in the open, not only here in a Nokia support forum. It's not just Nokia that's doing this nonsense.

I don't think Nokia will change, until they see their sales drop dramatically - not only won't they get the new business they hope for, but they'll lose even more of the business they've had for ages.

Anyway, let me know if I can quote you guys, or better yet, just go to the link and post it there yourself.

[blitzkid]

Can't agree more with you guys... Nokia is on a mission... A mission that'll lead to its self destruction and its a pity that it's still trying to act as if everything is fine and dandy. It is easy to wake a person who's asleep, but its impossible to wake a person who's acting as if he's sleeping.

[rjthomas]

steady on now. Remote drive didn't work for me anyway, trying to access an https webdav connection at work (server 2008 r2, iis 7.5).nokia are trying to fight a wave of people buying far inferior phones and are going to make mistakes, but they'll rectify them. I mean look at the original iPhone- no mms! How stupid must that phone have been, yet people fell over themselves to buy it. I'm looking forward to windows phone 7.5/8, think with a windows 8 tablet will provide the kind of digital ecosystem Apple can only dream of.

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Hmm, you're right, when new products are introduced, it's reasonable to find some bugs, and it's reasonable to expect that they'll be corrected or added. What's not reasonable, is to break, disable, or remove features once they've become part of the package.

Remote drive may not have worked for you, but it obviously has worked for others.

How would you feel if you took your new car to the dealership for a tune-up, and it came back to you with only FM working on the radio, and the AM capability removed? :-)

[andrey_vb]

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Mike_Myers_N8 wrote: ..... How would you feel if you took your new car to the dealership for a tune-up, and it came back to you with only FM working on the radio, and the AM capability removed? :-)

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An excellent comparison of what is going on! :-) As they say in Russia - "one cure, and the other cripple."

[rebnil]

Hi,

the missing WebDAV feature hurted so much, that davi was born.

davi is a WebDAV client app for Nokia Belle phones (603, 700, 701, 808 PureView / after update to Belle: N8, E7, C6-01, C7, X7, Oro, 500) and lets you organize your files on remote WebDAV servers and lets you download/upload recursively to/from your smartphone.

davi works with your NAS (e.g. QNAP, ReadyNAS, Synology) as well as online storage providers. davi works as well with otixo.com (provides unified WebDAV access to Dropbox, Box.com, Microsoft SkyDrive, Google Docs, Google Drive, SugarSync, Picasa, MobileMe, Amazon S3, MyDrive, CloudMe, Dump Truck, Digital Bucket, 4shared, Web.de, Files Anywhere, GoDaddy Online Storage, GMX.de, HiDrive, Strato, OnlineFileFolder.com)

Features

• HTTP and encrypted HTTPS (HTTP with SSL/TLS)
• One app password protects your WebDAV server login data with AES-256 encryption
• Recursive operations on directories for download, upload, copy, move, and delete
• Download and upload simultaneously with up to three files for each direction
• Manage file transfers in seperate download/upload queues
• Pause/resume for downloads and stop/restart for uploads
• Detects automatically USB On-The-Go attached mass storage devices for upload (e.g. in combination with Nokia CA-157)
• Show/hide hidden files (only for Unix/Mac OS X servers)
• Copy URL of a directory/file to clipboard or send the URL via Email or SMS
• Custom download directory for each WebDAV account
• Password forgotten? Reset the app password and delete all login data. Start over again.
• Supports basic, NTLM version 1, and digest-MD5 authentication

More Information about davi and support at http://rebnil.com/davi/

davi at Nokia Store: http://store.ovi.com/content/284121

[Mike_Myers_N8]

Thanks for the information, but for me, it's too little, too late. I got a Google phone running Android ICS, and the only feature I still miss from Nokia is the Maps program. I still have my two N8 phones; will keep the Anna phone, and sell the Belle phone.

From your description, that sounds like a very handy utility. I think I should add this to my list of Belle corrections needed, as a way to get around the "remote drive" problem in Belle.

[Manu_T]

Actually Nokia are removing certain features because

a) They needed to be updated (e.g. the webdav feature as implemented on the N8 couldn't handle encryoted passwords) and Nokia (in their persue of Windows Phone market ) ditched all the competent programmers to accomplish that

b) By removing features they can make the OS "appear" faster to make leeway for the screen animations which the current managment believe is sufficient to attract iPhone/Android users.

c) They make Symbian less appealing by removing features so their (crippled) Lumia's don't look so bad. Hence Symbian users "might" defect to Windows Phone.

Needless to say that the remaining Symbian users today are the hardcore/die-hard users whom use Symbian because of SPECIFIC features and would rather go for a stupid Android (read: Adds Droid) than to turn to "the dark side"!

The odd thing is that in 2008 Microsoft declared Windows Mobile (the predecessor to Windows Phone) dead which in essence meant that Symbian HAD WON the long-lasting battle with WM for smartphone supremacy.... And a year later they go to bed with the devil (whom lost the war) and completely abandon their price-winning horse that made them WIN THAT BATTLE in the first place!  As Homer Simpson would say: Doh!

Like I wrote before. I have no problems if Nokia added WP-devices as complementary products in their portfolio ALONGSIDE Symbian and Harmattan devices. But replacing their best assets with immature, crippled walled garden-ware doesn't taste very well with the existing crowd. Nokia should listen less to pressure from non-Nokia-users and more to current Nokia-users. To actually improve products instead of depreceate products.

In fact I think I would have ran Nokia far better than their current CEO (who's only accomplisment is ruining the lives of thousand employees and selling/ditching all resources and assets. His promise of gaining marketshare on the prospect of Windows Phone, is nothing but a pipe dream of a delusional madman.